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I've seen a bunch of them out there. When I was checking them out, there would always be at least one on eBay: http://cq-search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&query=mackie+LM* http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&query=mackie+LM* Look at the price trend lately! On the LM, the monitor bus is post-fader, so SOLO works really well as a stereo "Looper Send". It also allows one to send the main mix when no SOLO button is pressed. I think that ALT 3/4 is also post-fader, plus there is an "ALT 3/4 to Main" or "to RTN" (I can't remember which) button, so one doesn't even have to do any tricky routing to get it to operate essentially the same as the monitor bus for a second, stereo "To Looper". On other Mackies, one could probably "Y" the Alt 3/4 L/R outs and return them to a Stereo Channel (don't press ALT 3/4 on that channel) or Return for the same effect, although I'm sure some brainiac is going to remind us all why one shouldn't "Y" the outputs at this point.... -Hans At 20:33 17/12/2002, you wrote: >I've got a 1642 VLZpro. I have used the subs as stereo sends but the >annoyance there is that the per channel switching is then just in or out >and >I've still got to move the sub faders in parallel to keep the levels >matched. On top of that I've still got 4 mono sends. Now, true, mono works >great for the EDP, but I've got a lot of stereo effects and I'd like some >real stereo sends. > >I haven't checked out the LM-3204. They don't seem to show up all that >often. > >Mark > >P.S. Despite the frustrations with limited stereo routing support, the >Mackie is one of the purchases I've been happier about. > >on 12/16/02 7:39 AM, Engineering at hans@ernieball.com wrote: > > > I like the Mackie LM-3204, which has two mono and two stereo effect > > sends (only the mono OR the stereo are available at any given time per > > channel). All of its inputs are mono/stereo. The MONITOR bus also > > makes a nice stereo send, as does the AUX 3/4 bus. > > > > -Hans