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on 1/24/03 10:18 AM, Evan Meyers at evanmeyers@yahoo.com wrote: > with war, there is no winner or loser...just casualties. For we working folk that is so true. Maybe we could all pitch in and buy an island somewhere, declare it a neutral country but only allow incoming visas to friends and family, devise a means to function as self-sufficient. Grow our own food, make our own dwelling and clothes, and electricity to run the war chest of music gear we'd have to bring one of few exceptions :) to the living with what's on the island thing - and for which we could bring more by exporting creative works or goods we make or grew (without giving up the santicity our the islands' autonomy). Make up a set of simple rules for peaceful existence based on caring out others and community, what is right, and compassion too. See how well a group of people could function with minimal taxes/laws/fees and fines/ expenses and so on. Could be a loving, supportive, creative place in theory. it could be a great experiment/success. Sort of like the exact opposite of that show(survivor and it's copyshows) that flout the worst part of human nature, support putting everyone against everyone else to win by any means necessary, to get money, for self, and all of it phrased as "winning". To show there's another, more spiritual "human nature" possible, a compassionate and creative, community based island would be a great contrast. and just live there and enjoy being alive and hope we don't ever see mushroom clouds on the far off horizons, but always kind of expect it eventually in the backs of our minds.