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"I think as an artist you have to let other people express themselves how they see fit, and it's fine to call the product good or bad based on its individual merits, but there's nothing inherently wrong with any medium or practice." i agree 100% and my aesthetic dictates, for the most part, that i call said product bad. what i look for, personally, is not provided via either medium. i'm not so much getting down on particular performers/artists, but more of the ideals that appear to be fueling the whole movement. i haven't closed my head off to anything at all...i'll always give anything a shot (well, not skydiving or hard drugs...) but as i've mentioned, from my experience, i've not found compelling evidence to assuage my dislike for modern dance and performance art. i suppose to really get into an honest debate deserving our attention, we would need to get together, sit down and watch/listen to the exact same things, and talk later. as it stands, we're all coming from drastically different places as far as what we've seen, what we've heard, what we've read, and the context in which these things have transpired. but my criticism is not relegated to modern dance and performance art...i have a particular contempt for most "rock" music and visual art. maybe i'm just a jerk... -jim