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"Jimmy George Band" <jg@jimmygeorgeband.com> put forth:
> sweet diatribe jessie. sorry for the late response folks! been bombarded
> lately...
Well, the LD list is capable of producing dozens of messages a day to go
through. Right on, brotha!
> i am a fan first. a fan in the gut/ear before i ever 'saw' a show
>before.
> my 1st was who's next, boston #1, elo's double live. at 9 i was hooked
hard.
> they were these big black round disks that rolled out of this designed
> sleeve that was usually pretty sweet... those were the daze...
>
> then i went and 'saw' blue oyster cult live.
Was it the show where their lead singer had these chromium wristlets on, a
laser was pointed at them, and the result splayed out all over the hall?
Dangerous, we know now, yes. But still cool. ("My eyes!" - Milhouse)
> the fuck face to me simply represents honesty as a player. if you and i
are
> having sex at some point i want to see/feel/smell you sweat no matter how
> proficient you might be as a technical lover. same goes with music. break
a
> sweat, break a string break a rule or two while your at it.
I think of that as being called HAVING FUN. :) Sometimes I wonder if
people
need to be reminded how to do that occasionally. I think though that
there's several sides to it:
1. Some want to see you sweat etc. as proof you're not just playing the
SOS
(same old...);
2. Some want to see you sweat etc. as a matter of guitar tradition;
3. Some want to see you sweat etc. just to see someone else get nervous or
screw up (these folks go to car races to see if anyone crashes, too).
All of the above uh, is Entertainment no matter how ya slice it.
4. Remember the episode of Dream On, years ago, when Martin and his g/f at
the moment taped themselves making love? "Do I really make that face?"
YES, hehehe, we all do if we're not automatons.
> the essence of looping is not unlike life to me. it is the same thing
>over
> and over and up to me to make it interesting, challenging and innovative
and
> fun or not. i do do this for a living and have for 12 some years steady
and
> even though i cant please them all i still want most of them!
Indeed, indeed!
> snork!
>
> jimmy george
> http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jesse Ray Lucas <jlucas@neoprimitive.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:38 AM
> Subject: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"...
>
>
> > So, here's an idea, folks: Hook up your laptop screen to a
>projector
> are
> > project what you are seeing -- or, at the very least, get some kind of
> audio
> > visualizer program and project the output of that on a big screen
>behind
> > you. If you intend to connect with the widest possible audience, you
must
> > include some kind of visual element in your performance. Tim Reynolds
> > projects slides behind himself when he plays.
> >
> > And stand up. How much energy can you be putting into your
> performance
> > if you're sitting down? I know I would rather sit down and play all
>the
> > time, and I probably play better sitting down (because I always
>practice
> > sitting down), but you will get over more often if you stand up. Ah,
the
> > harsh realities of presenting to the public.
> >
> >
> > ***DANGER***: HERE FOLLOWS AN EXTENSIVE RANT ABOUT JOE AVERAGE'S
> PERCEPTION
> > OF MUSIC.
> >
> > It seems to me that most people who aren't musicians don't actually
> > *listen* to music. They *watch* music. If music is on at home or in
the
> > car, they are usually not aware of anything other than the words. If
the
> > music is such that it asserts itself into the forefront of the
> environment,
> > demanding attention, (e.g. Meshuggah, Squarepusher, or basically
anything
> > with above-average musical density in any respect [harmonically,
> > rhythmically, melodically]) the average joe or joan will feel uneasy
> > (translates into "dislike"). The negative effects of
>higher-than-normal
> > compositional density seem to be circumventable by adding plenty of
humor
> > (e.g. Frank Zappa), or at the very least lots of very easily
> understandable
> > lyrics presented in familiar melodic patterns (e.g. Dave Matthews).
But,
> in
> > general, the whole idea of music without words doesn't make sense to
>the
> > vast majority of people who grow up on MTV and commercial radio.
> >
> > I see this all the time when I play an opening instrumental set
>with
a
> > jazz quartet, then a singer joins us for the second set. All of a
sudden
> > people look up and start to pay attention because there is someone
singing
> > words. The minute she sits down and we play an instrumental, eyes are
> back
> > to the beer glasses and soup bowls and the talking resumes. And it's
not
> > because the singers I play with are really great and we suck. No words
=
> no
> > music. It's just the way some [the majority?] people are.
> >
> > I guess it comes down to giving people something that they can
relate
> > to. People can relate to someone singing, because everyone has tried
>it
> at
> > some point. People can relate to someone who looks like they're
>working
> > really hard (the "fuck face" as Jimmy George put it -- hahahahah),
because
> > most people have worked hard at something before. Most people can't
> relate
> > to John Coltrane's playing on Interstellar Space, because it doesn't
> > obviously relate to tonal music, which is the extent of most people's
> > experience of music. Most people can't relate to a guy standing there
> with
> > a laptop "making" music, because, if anything, maybe they've picked up
>a
> > guitar, or banged on a drum one or twice in their lives, so this is how
> they
> > understand music is made (hence the benefit of dragging around and
playing
> a
> > bunch of instruments). Only someone who knows something about what is
> > involved in the creation of music on a computer will be interested in
> what's
> > happening. But, as we only see the plastic shell of the laptop and not
> the
> > screen there's not really much point to getting really interested,
because
> > you will never get the pay off.
> >
> > But, it all depends on who your target audience is. Music geeks
have
> a
> > higher tolerance for musical density, and lack of "show." Just like
> > authors, when reading, have a higher tolerance for literary references
and
> > focus on character development, rather than plot development and
>action.
> >
> > -J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Sottilaro" <sine@zerocrossing.net>
> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Around
> >
> >
> > > Another aspect of the Laptop is the performance issue. BORING. I
once
> > > went to a big new music fest and my wife and I walked out when a guy
> > > sat down with a laptop and began to produce what seemed like slightly
> > > edgy techno. (IDM). We looked at each other and said, "Would it
> > > matter if that was all coming from the CD player in is Laptop?" The
> > > answer was: NO.
> > >
> > > Look at Hans. That wall of gear is part of the show. So fun to watch
> > > him tame COLUSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT. Coupled with a sequence of
> > > wardrobe changes that would make Cher jealous, you've got one hell of
a
> > > show... even if all his gear fails! (Sorry to rub it in Hans, I love
> > > you and your music!)
> > >
> > > However, I feel that often I'm not that far away from the laptop guy.
> > > At the ascension show we were in the dark in a corner. I'm positive
> > > that most people weren't aware the music was live. Didn't really
> > > matter on some level. A lot of people were there and seemed to be
> > > having fun. We were the "ambient" reception music, so that's OK.
BUT:
> > > What if I had recorded a really killer set in Digital Performer the
> > > night before, burned it to discs and showed up with a DJ setup. One
>of
> > > those Pioneer CD players an iBook and a mixer. Would there have been
> > > any difference? I'm not sure I think so. Should I become a DJ of my
> > > own music? I think people are doing this. Anyone here doing this?
> > > Could be a good way to go for this type of event. (where dancing and
> > > socializing are the focus) When it's more of a show (like Loopstock)
> > > then you go for performance mode. What do people think?
> > >
> > > I saw Bjork live where she had someone who looked like he was
> > > "performing" ProTools while she sung. OK, there was a string
orchestra
> > > too. Anyway, it worked for me.
> > >
> > > Mark Sottilaro
> > >
> > > On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 01:41 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm still not completely sold on buying a laptop.
> > > >
> > >
> >
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