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At 04:29 PM 6/11/2003, Terry Blankenship wrote: >I don't quite get what the difference between rounded >and unrounded functions is. Rounded is when something rounds off evenly to the next cycle point. For example, if you are doing a Multiply and press the Multiply button to finish at the mid point of the cycle. The Echoplex will round off to the next cycle point for you, so you have an integer number of cycles. Multiply, Insert, LoopCopy, and SyncRecord do this. UnRounded is when such an operation is forced to finish immediately, without rounding off to the end of the current cycle. So for example, if you are doing a Multiply and you press Record in the middle of the cycle to end it, it will stop the Multiply immediately and redefine the loop length to that point. In this way you get non-integer multiples, which could be anything. 3.472x, .74x, whatever. This works with combinations like Multiply-Record, Insert-Record, LoopCopy-Record, SusMultiply, SusInsert, and the SusUnrounded midi commands. The RoundMode parameter controls whether Overdub is going on or not during rounding, after you tapped the function to end. Normally while Multiplying or Inserting any sound coming in the input is Overdubbed into the new longer loop. When RoundMode is on, after you tap Multiply the second time to end the Overdubbing will continue while the Echoplex rounds off to the end of the cycle. When RoundMode is off, Overdub will be turned off during that time. The RoundMode difference is subtle, but reflects different approaches to playing. For example, some people think very metrically and want to always have their overdubbed phrases fill the whole bar, however they often like the convenience of tapping Multiply early in the last cycle to end it so they don't have to focus on it. RoundMode=on works well for them. Others are more focused on feeling the melodies and don't pay any attention to the bars. They want to just tap Multiply as soon as they get an inspiration to add a longer melody and then tap it again whenever the melody is finished. They still want it to round off evenly, but they don't want anything they play after that to go into the loop. For them, RoundMode=off works well. >I also don't quite get what quantize does on the >echoplex. On a drum machine quantize will actually >correct the timing of the things you play into the >drum machine. Does the quantize function work the same >way on the echoplex? as others explained, Quantize corrects timing of the Echoplex functions, not what you play into the echoplex. It can be set to Loop, cycle, or 8th. 8th is really whatever subdivision of the cycle is determined by the setting of the 8ths/cycle parameter. >What is the difference between quantize and switch >quantize? SwitchQuantize is for quantizing loop switching. >It seems that many functions (except record) will act >as sus functions if you just hold them down. Is record >the only function that doesn't become a sus function >when you hold it down. No. Undo has two variations for long and short press. Long undoes a whole pass of the loop, short undoes everything after the point it is pressed. Long-Multiply becomes substitute. Long-Insert becomes Replace. These are shortcuts put into the interface to give it more flexibility with a small number of buttons. Usually new users don't bother with such things, and it takes some experience and practice with it before they might start becoming useful. >I recorded in a studio once using a drum machine where >we recorded a sync track (no drums, just sync code). >Then I recorded the guitars, bass, keyboards, vocals, >etc, then wen't back and programmed drum parts which >locked in perfectly. > >I was wondering if the echoplex can send out some kind >of sync data that you could record onto a track of an >adat. That would allow you to then go back and sync up >as many loops as you had tracks available on the ADAT. it uses midi clock. it doesn't use smpte or midi time code or any other format. The echoplex also outputs note markers for 8th, cycle, and loop points that are useful to record into an audio sequencer, so you can visually see where the echoplex is. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com