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lol! Maybe looping just MAKES people suck! lollollol! Smiles, Cara At 07:13 PM 6/27/03 -0400, you wrote: > >"" then when he/ she uses looping devices, they will probably suck on many >layers of sound simultaneously. And the sucking will become exponential. > > > > Speaking personally, looping devices enable me express my sense of >composition and style of performance in much greater depth than if I am >limited to a single layer of sound. > > I will say this, I tend now to practice less and play/ live compose more, >but I think it's made me a much stronger musician overall. > > > dan > > > -- > ghost 7/ Oranje > http://envelopeproductions.com > d.ans@rcn.com > > website redesign coming soon with more solo bass music > > > > > on 6/27/03 10:49 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > >><> wrote: >>>>> David Torn's looping CDs are good to me because he >>>>> can actually play the guitar great and is not >>>>> using looping as a cover up for an inability to >>>>> play well (as is sometimes the case). >> >><>): >>>> Definitely in my case. Is that a problem? >> >> Then Terry followed up with: >> >>> No, Brian Eno created some wonderful music and he >>> claimed to be a non- musician. I though the music he >>> created was very musical. >>> >>> I just like David Torn's CDs because he plays guitar >>> really well. >> >> That's cool, thanks for the distinction. I was also thinking about that, >>and came >> to the conclusion that skill does not necessarily equal musicality. I >>know people >> who have very little musical skill, or even technical knowledge, who produce >> wonderful music. Now, the combination of a high degree of skill WITH >>outstanding >> musicality can produce some amazing results (as you note about David >Torn). >> >> Now to turn the discussion a little bit, I've been thinking about this >>concept >> for a day or two now, the idea that we would use loopers to cover up the >>fact >> that we are poor instrumentalists. >> >> I'm wondering if that's really possible. When I loop, the results are >>not any >> better then when I play without looping. In fact, it can be worse if I'm >>having a >> bad day or something, simply because there are more layers of my suckage >>to hear >> at the same time. Looping has challenged me as a musician in a way that >>solo and >> ensemble playing haven't. For me, making good music while looping seems more >> difficult, in a way, since I need to be more careful. >> >> ...but it's also easier and more enjoyable from another perspective, >>since I tend >> to respond to sounds and textures I'm hearing. When I play alone, I >>don't hear >> those, so my playing can often be stale. If I can create some >interesting >> textures in the loops, which I can then respond to, the solo >>improvisations are >> more >> >> It's just the way the musical part of my mind works. I've never been good at >> remembering specific parts, playing the same thing consistantly every >>time a song >> is done. I tend to respond out of how I'm feeling at the moment, what >>else I'm >> hearing in the music, what color the lights are, and all that. I'm not a >> playactor, where the performance is the same every night. This also >>leaves me >> subject to a lot of stuff I don't have much control over, and my >playing is >> therefore very inconsistant. On a good day, I like what I do, on a bad >>day...it's >> indescribably hideous. I'm sure this all relates back to a lack of solid >>musical >> education, a lack of personal discipline in practice, an incoherency in >>the way I >> think, and probably many other personal flaws. However, for whatever >>failings it >> demonstrates in me, the fact remains that this -is- how I am presently. >>Looping >> helps inspire me in a positive way, that's why I do it. >> >> Greg >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >> http://sbc.yahoo.com >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe