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I always trip out on people who say that can't afford anything - whatever happened to SAVING UP :) :::-----Original Message----- :::From: Travis [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] :::Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 11:56 PM :::To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :::Subject: Re: Stereo EDP ::: :::I think what you've got is a case of champagne taste and beer budget. ::: :::And these college kids with nice guitars and amps, and effects, but no :::cash for an EDP or Repeater....? Like they're never going to spend :::more money on gear? Please. If they can afford to go to college, they :::can find the money for and EDP (or a Repeater)...if they really want :::one. If they're just dilettantes who think it sounds like a "cool :::idea", well I think it'd be cool to have a car that goes 0-60 in 5 :::seconds, but I'm not going to whine about how I can't find one for :::under a thousand dollars. Tools cost money. ::: :::TravisH ::: :::On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:52 PM, :::Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: ::: :::> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 05:55 PM, Travis wrote: :::> :::>> But, if you can't stand it, you can't stand it. Still, I don't think :::>> $1600 for stereo EDPs is that much, if you're seriously making music :::>> in a commercial context. :::> :::> Ah, here in lies the point. Commercial context. I have no desire to :::> try and turn my art into money. Tried to do it before and only became :::> sad and angry. I loop pretty much for me. If I can find people who :::> enjoy it, that's great, but I'm not counting on it to pay the bills. :::> :::> So, what I'm saying is that I am typical, not the professional :::> musician. I think Rick Walker might be the closest person here to :::> making their living doing looping, and I know he has to supplement :::> that with lessons and more standard fare in his shows. The reason I :::> don't balk about my Photoshop license (of course this wouldn't be the :::> forum anyway) is because I do make a living using that tool. My music :::> only costs me money. I'm not complaining, I like it this way. :::> :::> When I bought an amp from some college kids, I saw they both had DL4s :::> and we started talking about looping. They were really interested in :::> learning about different looping devices. At the time the Repeater :::> was still in production. I told them about the Repeater and the EDP :::> and when I hit them with the price tags, they both looked deflated. :::> They had blown their cash on nice instruments and amps, and didn't :::> have much left over for a looper that was between $600 and $800. ::: :::