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it depends on what you want, have you tried to compare them in the tools of the trade page? for my money I like line 6s dl-4 but if you want longer loops the 22secs maybe the boomerang, althought i have never used one myself i have heard good things about its vercitility. actually as a message to the board in general would it be possible to make a matrix style grid to show the various features of the differant and most used loops, eg, compare the EDP,Line6 , RC-20, Repeater,Jamman,Boomerang for Feedback,number of loops, can you save loops, max loop time etc. I would be willing to make up the matrix in excel or something if i could get the info from you all on the ones ive never played with and if i can get info on whenm freatures you would all like comparasons of. if could certainly be useful to newcomers and upgraders. just let me know how things go Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger