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Not *completely* off-topic (there have been previous Reaktor vs. Tassman discussions here) but close.... The current issue of the UK's Music Tech Magazine (May 2004) is bundling Tassman 4 Free -- a stripped-down version of AAS' Tassman 4 -- on the magazine's CD. It's polyphony is limited and it doesn't include all the modules that are in the full version of Tassman 4, but it's otherwise unhindered. It runs as a VSTi on PC, OS9, & OSX, as well as being available as an Audio Unit and standalone. US cost is ~$13.95 The new Tassman is now supposed to have the ability to process incoming audio, so it should be applicable for building your own delay devices and other effects. (Unfortunately, this is one of the modules missing out of Tassman 4 Free, else I'd be trying it already). Still, it's a good way for those Reaktor users curious about the competition to "get their feet wet". Not to mention, this should also appeal to anyone who doesn't feel like shelling out half-a-grand for Tassman's physical modelling algorithms. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil