Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping)

["Shane Whitbread" <shanewhitbread@sympatico.ca>]

I'm actually friends with maneco(from another board).  One of my friends 
has
a custom nanolooper coming that is a hybird nanolooper/sample.  I can't 
wait
to hear it.

I had a conversation with him a few days ago, and his future seem very
bright.  He is a impressive builder.  Actually, no, he is the most
impressive builder going to date.

Oh, have you seen the filter eko he designed?  amamzing!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJ" <dhjohnson@mindspring.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for
looping)


> I had one of those Moog delays.  It was 100% analog but the signal and
> repeats were clean as a whistle!  If you drove it to self-oscillate it
> would and the tone could almost become like that of an analog
> synthesizer (which I guess it sort of was as it was an analog circuit
> driven to oscillate) and you could change the pitch with the time knob.
>   You could get a lot of clean repeats out of that baby, and you could
> control most of the controls with a foot pedal.  No tap tempo though,
> no looping, and very expensive.  If I remember correctly I sold it for
> more than I bought it for.
>
> On another note, you sound like you should check out mancolooper's as
> of yet unreleased latest creation.  He said he is going to call it the
> nanosampler, as opposed to his nanolooper.  He told me it's in the
> works and will do looping, tap-tempo, self-oscillation with pitch
> shifting with the time knob, overdubbing, and make you breakfast in
> bed.  He's not 100% sure about that last feature, but I'm hoping he
> will include it.  ;0)  It could be just the pedal that many folks are
> looking for.  I can't wait until he posts info on his sight.
>
> On Jun 19, 2004, at 12:12 AM, the toy room wrote:
>
> > From Mark S.
> >
> > 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1
> > If you assign "HOLD DLY" to the CONTROL pedal, you'll be able to hold
> > the delay
> > sound.
> > [1] "TIME" 1-8000 [ms] Sets the delay time.
> > [2] "FEEDBACK" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback.
> > [3] "TONE" 1.0-10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound.
> > [6] "MIX" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound.
> > CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL
> > pedal, the delay sound will be held from the
> > moment you turn the pedal on.
> >
> > What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it
> > behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals where
> > you get all sorts of warping during the change.  That makes for some
> > fun effects.
> >
> > From Me:
> >
> > Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab SE,
> > I
> > trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my
> > guitar
> > and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case.  They only had
> > the
> > desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the
> > units
> > would be the same.  They don't seem to be, following closer inspection.
> > After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if he
> > could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and
> > headphones.  Ahhhh...much better.
> >
> > I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold
> > delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000.  As for the sheer
> > mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work on
> > it a bit more.  I didn't have the manual as well.  I was able to get it
> > into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing more
> > material over the top without it going into the delay line.  Perhaps
> > Mark would confirm whether this is possible.
> >
> > As for the 'time' adjustment.  This was where I was most disappointed.
> > The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally
> > digital,
> > glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 (or
> > even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic.  Now that's a little
> > sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of
> > reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real
> > circuit.  As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better,
> > because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower and
> > more controlled transitions.
> >
> > On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very
> > unmusical effects.  Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can get
> > with a closed loop of a PDS-8000.  Also, with the PDS, you can turn the
> > time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then 'reopen'
> > the delay line and place clean new material on top.  Can you do this
> > with the Tonelab?  Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close
> > off
> > the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway.
> >
> > Sorry for the long winded post.  I guess I'm still looking for a delay
> > with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels
> > 'real'.  I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options and
> > may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and
> > limited features/delay time.  The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my interest,
> > as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man.
> >
> > Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago
> > when
> > I had the chance.  Hehe...
> >
> > Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the Maxon?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rich
> > www.asopaque.com
> >
>