Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping)

[DJ <dhjohnson@mindspring.com>]

> Oh, have you seen the filter eko he designed?  amamzing!

No I haven't.  Is it on his site?  Do you have a link?

On Jun 19, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote:

> I'm actually friends with maneco(from another board).  One of my 
> friends has
> a custom nanolooper coming that is a hybird nanolooper/sample.  I 
> can't wait
> to hear it.
>
> I had a conversation with him a few days ago, and his future seem very
> bright.  He is a impressive builder.  Actually, no, he is the most
> impressive builder going to date.
>
> Oh, have you seen the filter eko he designed?  amamzing!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJ" <dhjohnson@mindspring.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for
> looping)
>
>
>> I had one of those Moog delays.  It was 100% analog but the signal and
>> repeats were clean as a whistle!  If you drove it to self-oscillate it
>> would and the tone could almost become like that of an analog
>> synthesizer (which I guess it sort of was as it was an analog circuit
>> driven to oscillate) and you could change the pitch with the time 
>> knob.
>>   You could get a lot of clean repeats out of that baby, and you could
>> control most of the controls with a foot pedal.  No tap tempo though,
>> no looping, and very expensive.  If I remember correctly I sold it for
>> more than I bought it for.
>>
>> On another note, you sound like you should check out mancolooper's as
>> of yet unreleased latest creation.  He said he is going to call it the
>> nanosampler, as opposed to his nanolooper.  He told me it's in the
>> works and will do looping, tap-tempo, self-oscillation with pitch
>> shifting with the time knob, overdubbing, and make you breakfast in
>> bed.  He's not 100% sure about that last feature, but I'm hoping he
>> will include it.  ;0)  It could be just the pedal that many folks are
>> looking for.  I can't wait until he posts info on his sight.
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2004, at 12:12 AM, the toy room wrote:
>>
>>> From Mark S.
>>>
>>> 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1
>>> If you assign "HOLD DLY" to the CONTROL pedal, you'll be able to hold
>>> the delay
>>> sound.
>>> [1] "TIME" 1-8000 [ms] Sets the delay time.
>>> [2] "FEEDBACK" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback.
>>> [3] "TONE" 1.0-10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound.
>>> [6] "MIX" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound.
>>> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL
>>> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the
>>> moment you turn the pedal on.
>>>
>>> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it
>>> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals 
>>> where
>>> you get all sorts of warping during the change.  That makes for some
>>> fun effects.
>>>
>>> From Me:
>>>
>>> Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab 
>>> SE,
>>> I
>>> trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my
>>> guitar
>>> and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case.  They only had
>>> the
>>> desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the
>>> units
>>> would be the same.  They don't seem to be, following closer 
>>> inspection.
>>> After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if 
>>> he
>>> could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and
>>> headphones.  Ahhhh...much better.
>>>
>>> I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold
>>> delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000.  As for the 
>>> sheer
>>> mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work 
>>> on
>>> it a bit more.  I didn't have the manual as well.  I was able to get 
>>> it
>>> into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing 
>>> more
>>> material over the top without it going into the delay line.  Perhaps
>>> Mark would confirm whether this is possible.
>>>
>>> As for the 'time' adjustment.  This was where I was most 
>>> disappointed.
>>> The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally
>>> digital,
>>> glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 
>>> (or
>>> even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic.  Now that's a little
>>> sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of
>>> reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real
>>> circuit.  As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better,
>>> because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower 
>>> and
>>> more controlled transitions.
>>>
>>> On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very
>>> unmusical effects.  Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can 
>>> get
>>> with a closed loop of a PDS-8000.  Also, with the PDS, you can turn 
>>> the
>>> time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then 
>>> 'reopen'
>>> the delay line and place clean new material on top.  Can you do this
>>> with the Tonelab?  Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close
>>> off
>>> the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the long winded post.  I guess I'm still looking for a 
>>> delay
>>> with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels
>>> 'real'.  I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options 
>>> and
>>> may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and
>>> limited features/delay time.  The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my 
>>> interest,
>>> as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man.
>>>
>>> Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago
>>> when
>>> I had the chance.  Hehe...
>>>
>>> Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the 
>>> Maxon?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rich
>>> www.asopaque.com
>>>
>>
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