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http://fiveways.illogic.net/loopers There is both the hybird custom nano and the filter. ENJOY ALL! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ" <dhjohnson@mindspring.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping) > > Oh, have you seen the filter eko he designed? amamzing! > > No I haven't. Is it on his site? Do you have a link? > > On Jun 19, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > > > I'm actually friends with maneco(from another board). One of my > > friends has > > a custom nanolooper coming that is a hybird nanolooper/sample. I > > can't wait > > to hear it. > > > > I had a conversation with him a few days ago, and his future seem very > > bright. He is a impressive builder. Actually, no, he is the most > > impressive builder going to date. > > > > Oh, have you seen the filter eko he designed? amamzing! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "DJ" <dhjohnson@mindspring.com> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:09 AM > > Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for > > looping) > > > > > >> I had one of those Moog delays. It was 100% analog but the signal and > >> repeats were clean as a whistle! If you drove it to self-oscillate it > >> would and the tone could almost become like that of an analog > >> synthesizer (which I guess it sort of was as it was an analog circuit > >> driven to oscillate) and you could change the pitch with the time > >> knob. > >> You could get a lot of clean repeats out of that baby, and you could > >> control most of the controls with a foot pedal. No tap tempo though, > >> no looping, and very expensive. If I remember correctly I sold it for > >> more than I bought it for. > >> > >> On another note, you sound like you should check out mancolooper's as > >> of yet unreleased latest creation. He said he is going to call it the > >> nanosampler, as opposed to his nanolooper. He told me it's in the > >> works and will do looping, tap-tempo, self-oscillation with pitch > >> shifting with the time knob, overdubbing, and make you breakfast in > >> bed. He's not 100% sure about that last feature, but I'm hoping he > >> will include it. ;0) It could be just the pedal that many folks are > >> looking for. I can't wait until he posts info on his sight. > >> > >> On Jun 19, 2004, at 12:12 AM, the toy room wrote: > >> > >>> From Mark S. > >>> > >>> 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 > >>> If you assign "HOLD DLY" to the CONTROL pedal, you'll be able to hold > >>> the delay > >>> sound. > >>> [1] "TIME" 1-8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. > >>> [2] "FEEDBACK" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. > >>> [3] "TONE" 1.0-10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. > >>> [6] "MIX" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. > >>> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL > >>> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the > >>> moment you turn the pedal on. > >>> > >>> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it > >>> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals > >>> where > >>> you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for some > >>> fun effects. > >>> > >>> From Me: > >>> > >>> Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab > >>> SE, > >>> I > >>> trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my > >>> guitar > >>> and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case. They only had > >>> the > >>> desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the > >>> units > >>> would be the same. They don't seem to be, following closer > >>> inspection. > >>> After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if > >>> he > >>> could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and > >>> headphones. Ahhhh...much better. > >>> > >>> I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold > >>> delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000. As for the > >>> sheer > >>> mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work > >>> on > >>> it a bit more. I didn't have the manual as well. I was able to get > >>> it > >>> into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing > >>> more > >>> material over the top without it going into the delay line. Perhaps > >>> Mark would confirm whether this is possible. > >>> > >>> As for the 'time' adjustment. This was where I was most > >>> disappointed. > >>> The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally > >>> digital, > >>> glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 > >>> (or > >>> even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic. Now that's a little > >>> sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of > >>> reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real > >>> circuit. As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better, > >>> because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower > >>> and > >>> more controlled transitions. > >>> > >>> On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very > >>> unmusical effects. Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can > >>> get > >>> with a closed loop of a PDS-8000. Also, with the PDS, you can turn > >>> the > >>> time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then > >>> 'reopen' > >>> the delay line and place clean new material on top. Can you do this > >>> with the Tonelab? Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close > >>> off > >>> the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway. > >>> > >>> Sorry for the long winded post. I guess I'm still looking for a > >>> delay > >>> with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels > >>> 'real'. I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options > >>> and > >>> may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and > >>> limited features/delay time. The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my > >>> interest, > >>> as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man. > >>> > >>> Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago > >>> when > >>> I had the chance. Hehe... > >>> > >>> Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the > >>> Maxon? > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Rich > >>> www.asopaque.com > >>> > >> > > > >