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Hi list, I'm pasting in this discussion from the Numerology list, if someone here is interested in laptop set-ups for audio live-looping. I also tried Live 4 but actually found Numerology to fit my needs better. Many of the features described below in the "long version" was simply not possible to achieve in Live, or they came with too disturbing side effects. For ages I have been longing for a "meta instrument" that would let me record and manipulate many loops at the same time. Thanks to the new audio functionality of Numerology (for OS X) I have managed to achieve this. To begin with only in a rudimentary form, but now when the system is defined it can grow and improve. First, here's a short demo sound clip of plugging a guitar into the powerbook and tap dancing over the FCB1010: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Numerology_Augustus_Looping.mp3 Short version: > It's basically three instances of the AU plug-in Augustus Loop, > transposed and manipulated in real-time from a Behringer FCB midi foot > pedal. Twelve Numerology Group pre-sets bring the looping set-up into > different "modes" for certain tasks or for instant transposing of all > loops to match chord/key changes. A number of control sequencers run > the filter cut-off built into the looping plug-ins. Midi expression > pedals can change Gate Division of those cut-off sequencers while the > thing is making noise. Long version: Theoretically it's about four main functions. 1) Running multiple audio loops (here three simultaneous loops) and being able to overdub audio input by using midi foot pedals. 2) Changing the length, or direction, of loops while they are spinning (creating poly rhythm). 3) Globally groove quantized "dynamic gating" of each individual loops output. Changing the "beat sync" while loops are spinning (here done by Clock Division of the sequencers that control each loops filter cut-off). 4) Transforming pitch of ALL LOOPS by just ONE COMMAND (midi foot pedal). Pre-sets of loop pitch transformations that match most chords/keys (here done by Group Preset) I chose the plug-in Augustus Loop because that's the only AU I know that has a "hold" function, in Augustus called "Freeze Loop". The Lexicon PSP 42 would also do fine, but it's not available as AU and it does not have a Reverse Loop function. Typically both plug-ins were not originally designed for live looping, rather as a "tape delay emulation". That's the background to the "tape scratch" sound of Augustus every time you mess with the virtual tape. This can be a bit annoying when you run many simultaneous loops and change their pitch all at the same time. I hope developer OS will make this cool sound an option in future versions of Augustus Loop (don't take it away, please! Just make it optional). Now for the audio part: Playing the instrument on the Numerology "audio input", running three looping plug-ins in groups/channels set to Aux 1, 2 and 3 as the audio input. Also an Apple Matrix reverb in one group with Aux 4 as input. External audio input channel sending all aux's to distribute audio into the loopers and the reverb. The three loopers also sending aux 4 to reverb. A fifth Group/channel has an iDrum plug-in. The direct input, the three looping channels and the iDrum all have one compressor each, Neodynium by Elemental Audio Systems. Drumming: As this is the pilot set-up I have not bothered to create drum sequences in Numerology. Since I have now seen that it's all working fine, that will come next. There will be four sequencers with the option to manipulate the Clock Division, individually for each drum sound/sequence. Manipulation carried out either by Num's Dual LFO or from midi expression pedals. Maybe I will find good use for the Triple X Glide function here? As for now I just put the iDrum there and had a Dual LFO scroll through four different drum patterns - iDrums own patterns that is. Used control modules: I'll just go through them on a row. A great part of the hard work was to find ways to program the midi foot pedal board (Behringer FCB1010), but that's another story. Three "1010 Control Sequencer". Together with three "393 Parameter Modulation" units these sequencers handle the dynamic beat synced gating of each loopers filter cut-off. All three sequencers are set differently, like an "Elvin Jones type drummer"; never all of them hitting a punch together but rather leaving out space for each other to fit into a polyrhythmic groove. Clock division of each "dynamic gating sequencer" addressed by a midi expression pedal. Different pedal modes to get at the three loops' Clock Division one by one. For each pedal mode the second expression pedal is getting lined up to the Glide function of the Triple X that catches the midi cc input from the pedal. This means I can both manipulate groove and attack of the filter "slam". (The way to catch the midi cc input for the Glide is to use a Midi Input module and then in a Param Mod directing the Inputs cc A, cc B, and cc C to the "Glide box" targeted (No AutoScale in Param Mod used here). Now we're at the last function: transformation of pitches to match chord/key changes. Here I'm using a "141 Four Track Combo Sequencer" and addressing Loop Pitch of Augustus Loop by three "3939 Parameter Modulation" modules. The technique is to set the pitch for the three loops in the Four Track Combo Sequencer and save it as a Group Pre-set. Then set up the next combination of loop pitches and save that as another pre-set etc etc. I have ten different pre-sets for ten chords/keys to use when improvising music. Some of the chords change octave in the middle of the 16 step pattern, but only where it sounds good according to how much audio is being pitched for that particular chord and that particular loop (there are three loops in harmony, you know). Although the key changes for each pre-set the loops keep their typical arrangement: Loop 1 for bass (down one or two octaves), loop 2 as close as possible to the pitch it was recorded in and finally loop 3 one or two octaves high. I have a certain mode (two dedicated pre-sets) for recording audio into the loops. In recording mode the loops are not transposed. The same foot pedal that stops recording into one loop also transposes that loop to its working octave, when going out of recording mode. So when I need to play some notes into the bass loop I have to lift it up to the mid octave for a second. When I have punched in a note or two the loop dives down to the bass octave with that funny "tape hiss scratchy swirly" sound. A trick also possible, thanks to this arrangement, is to record into all three loops at once and then with just one press of a foot pedal freeze the three loops and distribute pitches to bass, mid and high. Other Augustus Loop parameters controlled from the FCB1010 by Numerology's Triple X and Parameter Modulation are: - Loop feedback - Freeze Loop (the "recording mode" referred to above) - Reverse Loop - Triplet I may also in the future make some pedal buttons address "Beat Devisor" of Augustus Loop. This goes from 1/1 to 1/32 and gives some funny and unpredictable result when changed while audio is looping. (maybe OS can predict what's happening there but I'm happy not understanding it completely - it just sounds cool ;-) I think that's all. This run-through is also a good back-up for me if I should loose the Numerology documents that hold this set-up. cheers per