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How is Kim long suffering and under appreciated? He answers many questions about the Echoplex and takes care of people the best I can see. His writing style only reflects a highly creative guy, the wrong kind of approach to a technical manual. Looks to me like he has tremendous praise heaped on his personage. Looks happy to me. believe me, I appreciate the unit I have. Don't know it yet and some manuals have gotten me through to the juicy parts of a unit quicker. Doesn't speak for the unit, just the imagination behind the manual. The more imaginative the piece of art, technology or contrivance, the less apt the creator is to the mundane task of writing a "how to do" manual. I'm sure he takes my displeasure with his manual it in good humor and realizes that he really can't write a manual. Too much of a Beatnik. Me too. I'm too much of a Bohemian to write a manual. All manuals are not too much pleasure. I loved the Festival! I saw some stuff that I really haven't seen before. Lots of freaks of sound. Lots of beautiful designs and humor. Lots of, of, of, of, of,of, of, of, "The International greeting between Loopers." How ya doin'. ya, doin', ya, doin, ya, ya, ya. One thing though, I enjoy playing with other musicians so much that I could never really loop for fun after a certain point. I mean looping with myself is kind of like masturbation but as an artist I'm a good lay so I can "get off." I had two Jammans about four years back, looped a band through them and made loops for mostly dancers. My group was a free improv band called the Vortexans. Electronic drums so everything could run into a board and it was simple to do. Performers were pretty much entitled to play anything they didn't know. Very good stuff and completely original the best I could tell. We just evolved out of loops and played whole performances without them. Now I am looking at them again and I don't feel as cold to them as I was. Periodicity is so horribly human and a force of negative energy for a spontaneous person. Time is so psychological. I'll see what I can do with the things but they may go up for sale. Don't hold your breath. I am really into outside and Echoplex can collect outside. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com