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-----Original Message----- Larry Cooperman wrote many things and one of them was: One thing though, I enjoy playing with other musicians so much that I could never really loop for fun after a certain point. I mean looping with myself is kind of like masturbation but as an artist I'm a good lay so I can "get off." <snip> We just evolved out of loops and played whole performances without them. Now I am looking at them again and I don't feel as cold to them as I was. Periodicity is so horribly human and a force of negative energy for a spontaneous person. Time is so psychological. I'll see what I can do with the things but they may go up for sale. Don't hold your breath. I am really into outside and Echoplex can collect outside. ---->My $.02 . . . Looping is a wonderful way to accumulate sound. I haven't had much success using looping with an ensemble. I find the same thing with sequences--live performances seem to be stifled by "following" a track. If loops could follow live performances--but they can't! They have no cognition; they are the past, brought into the present. Sympathetic fellow musicians can accommodate this; but generally this caliber of musician can play brilliantly using a cardboard box. I know that others use multiple delays to process their instrument in an ensemble setting. Mostly though it isn't looping; it's DSP. That's probably the ticket in ensemble playing--requiring less rhythmic accuracy (IMHO the real killer). Let's nobody hold our breath--let it flow! Gary