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Travis, > unless you mean "new in box" Yes, I do mean "new in box". Call me a cissy, but if I'm going to spend that kind of money on a piece of kit (especially electronics designed ten years ago) I want a box and 2 years service guarantee. > There's rarely more than a few days when one isn't on eBay The example you give is typical: Firstly if you look closely it says 'Ships to: United States, Canada'. That ain't Europe last time I looked. Even if I could convince the seller to send it to Europe I still have to pay shipping plus toll duty plus 25% VAT (purchase tax). That's well over $1000 for a second hand beige-face EDP of unknown heritage with loop-3 software, no footpedal and no guarantee that it even will work for more than a week. Thanks, but no thanks. I'm motivated, but not that motivated! And after all, why should I have to go through all this? The EDP is NOT officially discontinued or out of production. I should be able to walk into any Gibson dealer in the world and buy one off the shelf, or at least order one and have it within a week! -- Ian Petersen