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Ian, Actually the auction indicates that it includes the footpedal. Yeah, it'd be nice to get a new one for $725 plus shipping, but that's not even an option in America. And by "motivated" I did mean buying it, having it sent to a compatriot in the US or Canada, having them verify it works, installing the updated software and then getting someone to hand carry it over to Europe in the next few months and skipping the VAT. But yes, I understand that's more effort than usually goes into buying a relatively recent piece of gear. But, if you really need the thing, then hurdles are to be overcome. I've bought several of the things over the years as safety insurance against anticipated "end of production" scenarios. The medium range (and up) of the looping world is not for the faint of checkbook, nor weak of back when it comes to loading in and out of the gig. C'est la vie. There's really no "should" involved in the ease of availability though. Living somewhere as wonderful in many other ways as Denmark (I'm being serious here) has a few drawbacks. Hell--whenever I visit the UK I can't believe that anyone can afford to be a musician there since everything costs so much...compared to the US. TravisH Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:30:02 +0100 From: Ian Petersen <iep@mail.dk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex v. Electrix Travis, > unless you mean "new in box" Yes, I do mean "new in box". Call me a cissy, but if I'm going to spend that kind of money on a piece of kit (especially electronics designed ten years ago) I want a box and 2 years service guarantee. > There's rarely more than a few days when one isn't on eBay The example you give is typical: Firstly if you look closely it says 'Ships to: United States, Canada'. That ain't Europe last time I looked. Even if I could convince the seller to send it to Europe I still have to pay shipping plus toll duty plus 25% VAT (purchase tax). That's well over $1000 for a second hand beige-face EDP of unknown heritage with loop-3 software, no footpedal and no guarantee that it even will work for more than a week. Thanks, but no thanks. I'm motivated, but not that motivated! And after all, why should I have to go through all this? The EDP is NOT officially discontinued or out of production. I should be able to walk into any Gibson dealer in the world and buy one off the shelf, or at least order one and have it within a week! -- Ian Petersen