And for that matter, the octave down on the G2 is servicable. I'd still like to examine the POG tho--is $400 too much for a REALLY good octave shifter? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] <snip> The MPX-G2 does this really really well. I've got a few octave up settings that I love. From screaming lead sounds to a more Metheny-esque jazz-guitar tone. no munchkin-noises for me. :o) There are a few tracks on my latest album, 'Grace And Gratitude' that use this sound.