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Clubs often do suck, but if you're a loud ensemble, you're probably going to have to deal with them. To make it worthwhile to rent a place, hire a PA, someone to do sound, take out some ads, get someone to run the door, etc. means you need a good number of people to show up. If you have enough people who will pay to see you at your rented hall, then you can probably persuade a club to book you. But in a lot of cities, people want to go to "real" clubs, not some Shriner's Hall in the sticks where there's no booze. On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:13:49 -0800, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote: > Clubs suck ,why play them.Why do musicians beleive they have to be at >the > mercy of clubowners? Rent the hall put out promo set up a pa sell snacks >and > swag.Put on your own gigs.Get together with others and put on festivals. > quit wynging > >