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>>Doesn't everyone just have mp3's on their websites? > >no way dude. people can steal those. for some mp3s that you can steal www.andybutler.com the EDP use is a lot more "gentle" than Andre's, but there's a range of techniques to get away from straightforward loops. 1) Non-looped intro/outro 2) Multiply allows you to start with a very small rhythmic cell, and extend in length progressively 3) HalfSpeed, and Reverse help to build up layers of contrasting sounds as an example http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/hanging-garden-clf.mp3 this is a straight warts and all live recording, made with the directional mic on a video camera, so sound is somewhat lo-fi, ...and you can hear the footswitch action first minute is unlooped intro 1:10 two note rhythmic cell is looped 1:19 Multiply is used to "overdub" a second longer rhythm (8 cycles) 1:30 NextLoop is used to make a copy of that loop into loop 2 , and simultaneously it is multiplied up to 36 cycles while adding a melody. 2:10 Melody starts to repeat 2:24 A counter-melody is played over the top of everything 2:38 Overdub is engaged, so now that melody is dubbed onto the loop 2:49 Overdub is switched off, while the melody continues 3:17 Now the bit I overdub comes round again, and I overdub another harmony (overdub on) 3:30 Overdub Off again 3:57 3 part harmony 4:09 nextloop used to go back to Loop 1, which has the 8 cycle rhythm 4:29 overdub rhythm onto loop1 4:35 while still overdubbing, hit reverse , and play a ringing chord simultaneously 4:42 hit reverse again, 4:53 you hear that ringing chord played backwards over the rhythm 5:00 that's the hard stuff done, now it's just me playing variations on the first non-looped intro over the new rhythm 5:50 Mute loop and play outro 6:04 applause