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Kris Hartung wrote: "Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :)" Whatever floats your boat makes me happy for you Kris, but I do want to point out that with over a 1,000 Indian Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone just scales, microtonal scales, and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places to go out there in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic systems. I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music Theory tribe at tribe.net with all their discussions of different systems to investigate. "pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek modes in western harmony..................................lydian, for example, is far from pretty. It is bittersweet with a touch of melancholy to my ear and emotions......................add a flat 7 to the scale and you are in a different and exotic emotional universe altogether. It's just one of those Rags. I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums to explore besides the "diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which seems to me to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music. with respect, Rick