RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances

["Hartung, Kris" <kris.hartung@hp.com>]

Thanks, Mark. When you streamed your music, what did you use for a 
server/IP address? The problem I am running into is that my Internet 
Service Provider doesn't allow people to use their server like this, as is 
the case for most popular ISPs like AOL, Earthlink, etc. Hence, I would 
have to pay someone to use their server/ISP to stream or buy a package 
like the Live365 service, which inclues the software, access to their 
server, etc.  In the Winamp/Shoutcast server software, I have to type in 
an IP address of a server that it will use to stream the live music. As 
everyone saw, I mistakenly used my wireless router IP, which stream great 
on any computer in my house, but wasn't accessable to anyone else outside 
the local network.

After doing more web research, I am amazed at how much services are 
charging for streaming bandwidth!  This space is like gold!   I heard that 
you can turn your own computer into a server, but I don't have the time or 
the funds to work on this.  I'm still shocked by how difficult it is to 
pull this off, given all the other easy to use technology out there. 

Oddcast...Shoutcast....I don't see them being used interchangeably on the 
Shoutcast website.  I did find the Oddcast.org website though.  I can't 
tell at first glance wheather you need your own server to use the service 
or not.

Kris


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Francombe [mailto:Mark.Francombe@transformgroup.no] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:31 AM
To: Hartung, Kris; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances

Kris, is Oddcast the same as Shoutcast? I run a radio station 
www.synchnonsynch.com/radio.htm (today its down due to network problems) 
but basically works liked a dream.. I USED tp have a manager in Amsterdam 
that would record me on her computer FROM the stream I was sending her.... 
often when I was just improvising.. after I was done she would say.. that 
sounded good, and I recorded it!

Its real easy to set up, only drawback being its BEST (but not impossible) 
if you have a fixed IP and not dynamic... 


Mark

PS. Anyone wants me to play anything on my station, send it over!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:33 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances
> 
> So, you have used the winamp / Line In / Oddcast system successfully? 
> This works for me. I recall that last year I connected to Bernhard's 
> winamp stream at the last day of Y2K4 no problem. I'll give that a try 
> and try to have something for everyone to test by the end of this week.
> 
> It does seem odd to me that with all the technology and fast internet 
> services we have now, that this is so difficult to achieve.
> 
> Kris
> 
> 
> On 8/1/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
> > Kris,
> >
> > the problem here ist that somebody needs to have the upstream 
> > capacity to stream your stream bandwidth times the number of 
> > listeners, and there are chances that your wi-fi internet access 
> > will not provide that. So in most cases, the deal is to either 
> > connect to a server with a high-bandwidth connection or at least to 
> > use an additional server (with this kind of connection) as a relay.
> >
> > I had tried that with several of my computers at home and in the 
> > office
> > - for generating the stream, I used an input plugin for winamp 
> > (called
> > line_in.dll) that provides your computers' line input as a source in 
> > Winamp and then used the Oddcast DSP plugin to generate an 
> > Ogg/Vorbis stream. This stream was then distributed with a software 
> > that was called ezstream.
> >
> > All of these programs came for free, at least for the short time I 
> > was experimenting with them.
> >
> > I don't know of any a-la-torrent solutions where the clients also 
> > serve streams themselves.
> >
> >         Rainer
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
> > Gesendet: Montag, 1. August 2005 07:23
> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Betreff: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances
> >
> >
> > Yes, that sounds like what I want to do alright...streaming MP3 
> > directly from my laptop.  I am using XP. The trick is that I'd like 
> > to do it from my host and not an external  web server. It would be 
> > sort of like those internet services who provide peer-to-peer file 
> > sharing, rather than relying on an intermediate server.  I suppose I 
> > could setup my laptop as a webserver, if I knew how to do that. 
> > Whatever the case, it needs to work wherever I go and there is WI-FI 
>access.
> >
> > Kris
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:18 PM
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances
> >
> >
> > Kris,
> >
> > This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck.  It 
> > certainly seems like it should be do-able.  The solution I'm 
> > imagining would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing a 
> > continuous conversion into mp3, then streaming that out.  Certainly 
> > doesn't sound too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware.  
> > Unfortunately, I don't know of any applications off the top of my head.
> >
> > What OS are you using?  I think I could cook something up on my 
> > linux box using available tools and a simple script, but that 
> > probably wouldn't help you if you're on Windows.  OSX might have 
> > similar capabilities, but I don't know.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris <kris.hartung@hp.com> wrote:
> > > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time 
> > > performances over the web?  I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo 
> > > Chat
> >
> > > room , and it is atrocious.  I can hear the music, but it is very 
> > > choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with 
> > > a fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to 
> > > do this
> >
> > > without costing a fortune or owning a remote server.  What about 
> > > Real Audio?  Any free resources to pull this off?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> --
> ~~calenlas~~