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I'll go with that definition... but why do we care? For a while I attempted doing the professional original pop/rock band. It was finally starting to pay off... and then our drummer got wooed away from us by a very popular country band. Even though we were booking a decent number of paying gigs a month there was no way we could match the country band. They paid him to rehearse! For a short while, as we looked for a replacement, our lead guitarest sat in on drums. That wasn't really working as I was having trouble doing vocals and playing the lead parts I wanted to hear. Then our bass player quit due to marital problems... and I went out and bought an Ensoniq TS-10 workstation keyboard... a JamMan was soon to follow. The band disolved... and I was never happier! It was so liberating! I was so focused on attaining my "dream" that it hadn't occured to me that I wasn't even enjoying it. Keeping the band together, making our set list accessable to enough people to gather the cash to pay the manditory PA/Engineer fee clubs in Ithaca NY had adopted (who generally sucked so hard it's amazing! Look at me! I'm a trust fund baby who got some cash and bought some PA gear! I'm now your engineer!) So anyway, I quickly realized that even if I'd continued, I didn't like it much. Not my style. I hate traveling and honestly don't enjoy playing live much. Mostly it's due to the fact that I really love the improv thing and find that 90% of the time I can't hear well due to bad stage mixes/conditions. So that's me. Your milage may vary. I totally admire people like Rick who love this life and stick it out to attain a level of financial reward, that's not me. I lack the steel. However, I can make 4 times as much as my Berklee school of Music grad brother in a year doing Media design to his pro music life and I never ever ever have to play Mustang Sally. I do however have to sell out in my own way...(oh believe me I do!) but for some reason I can handle that. I do not take requests well in the music world but I'm willing to to do anything some idiot CEO wants to his logo animation as long as there's a check at the end. I'm not judging at all... it's just the way things work in my world. Perhaps is I was more focused and skilled I could have made it... but I'm not. All I know is the fun and fulfillment I get from sitting in my studio coming up with some beats and looping over them is enough for me. Why is anyone here conserned with how we get our money? If you loop and you love it, that's all that matters. Mark --- Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote: > On Oct 16, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > "Professional" is more related to occupational > status, not artistic > > merit. > > my friend James McCaskey, official recordist of the > Suit & Tie Guy > Band, recently wrote this definition of > professional: > > Professional, adj. > > As done by, or containing, one whose skill is in > appearing competent. > > > Professional, n. > > One who is skilled in appearing competent. > > > Example: > > "Unfortunately, this will be costly to finish. It > looks like you were > dealing with a bunch of professionals." > > > > maybe it related to this discussion, maybe not. i > can't tell. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs