Re: Do I need that EDP?

[stanitarium <stanitarium@earthlink.net>]

hmmm...missed that original post.
i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa time
tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all
the traits of a tube amp.
finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp
or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of the
looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the 
front
of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that
combination brings...
it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the
best of both worlds-imo
stan




on 2/28/06 3:12 AM, Fluke at fluke@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:
> Looks to me like you need some sort of bypass device - a Boss Line 
>Selector
> or passive, true bypass box - to take the EDP out of circuit when you 
>aren't
> using it. 
> Nik
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joe rut [mailto:joerut@lycos.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:54 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP?
> One issue that has gone around a few times on this list is that of gain
> staging in the EDP. I've held a few different opinions on that issue over
> the years
> and presently think there is still a problem there (a caveat being that 
>my
> sample group consists of my 2 older model beige face Oberheim EDPs).
> 
> Being more of an old-school-guitar-into-tube amp-equals-tone type guy, 
>I've
> struggled off and on with my EDPs as tone-suck culprits. Here's the issue
> as I see it: A large part of the sound I want to hear is the sound of my
> amp "breaking up" as my guitar signal hits the preamp stage of a Fender 
>tube
> amp. Any pedals that change the way that signal hits the amp are going to
> change the tone. When going through an EDP, I have met an unwinnable
> fight in trying to balance the loss of gain through the EDP vs. the noise
> produced by the EDP. Through proper gain staging (setting of input and
> output
> levels on the EDP), I can minimize the problem, but not make it 
>disappear.
> I do not feel it is possible to simultaneously A) not distort the input, 
>B)
> have a
> quiet loop with no hiss added by the EDP, and C) still have a full gain
> signal hit the amp. I can get the loop hiss under control, but there goes
> my amp
> tone. I can get the amp screaming, but either deal with hiss or digital
> distortion, depending on whether I'm leaning towards the input or output 
>of
> the
> EDP.
> 
> Loopers who are not concerned with old-school tube amp tone issues 
>probably
> don't care about this issue. If you have an amp modeler or something
> BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super clean power amp just to
> amplify your signal, you may never even notice this. But if you are 
>trying
> to use
> the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound (like most guitar sounds
> from the 1940's through the present), the EDP can be frustrating.
> 
> Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They are an amazing tool. This
> is just one thing to think about.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Joe Rut
> 
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