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quite true and a very good point. in no way did i aim to scare anyone away from max and his many joys. just meant it as a warning for anyone that plugs a midiin to a vst~ and scratches their head for awhile. another HUGE plus for max that hasn't been mentioned (at least in the past day) - the help files really tell you a lot, and if you really need more the ref manual is pretty deep. the help files (even the preference windows) are also max patches so you can open them up and copy stuff out to your own patches, just be careul not to save the help files if you butcher them. and yet another maxism for anyone diving in this week - the tips window is an incredibly helpful place to look for really useful things. my favorite - • to see a menu of all the messages an object accepts, control-option- click on the object for whatever reason i was using max for quite a while before i read that one. - b On May 6, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Brian Cass wrote: >> midievent 144 sound familiar? > > an example for how to streamline some akward messages in Max: use > another little box to translate it, you have to do it only once, > and in that case it exists already: there is an object called > midiformat, which would do it for you, and then you can build your > own VST object abstraction including this translation and you can > forget about it, it will remain simple for the rest of your life... > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 >