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I agree with much of what Kim said in terms of people disciplining themselves to stay on the topic of looping and I have probably been as guilty of that as anyone. That being said, I do want to beg to differ about this statement: "This list is not here to discuss computer problems, or favorite VST effects, or DAW recommendations........ (just to pick on a few random, recent off-topics.)" The fact of the matter is that the major innovations in the real time looping world in the past three or so years have been mostly in the computer software realm. With the exception of the Looperlative there have not been very many innovations in the hardware world at all (with the exception of more powerful floor effects pedals like the Boss RC 50). Consequently, discussions about things like DAW recommendations (because live looping VSTs HAVE to be hosted somewhere in your laptop) or VST effects, which have everything to do with how your music is manifest if you are using a laptop computer set up to loop live are extremely pertinent to the world of live looping. I'm actually still almost entirely a hardware live looper but there are no ifs, ands or buts about it, there is a lot out there in the laptop software world that is rapidly changing the playing field (from Augustus loop to Mobius to Ableton's Live, etc.) The computer software live looping solutions are in their infancy so there are bound to be discussions about what's wrong with them or what types of computers are most appropriate to solve those solutions. Not everyone is going to chose that solution, necessarily but I imagine it takes up a lot of thought in a lot of people doing looping in front of an audience in real time. At the looping festivals the number of people using laptop/software looping solutions has risen dramatically in the past three years. If , however, the majority of people on this list think that these are innapropriate 'off topic' posts then I am willing to cease and desist my own discussions of these things but I don't think they are. I also agree, though , that reeling those discussions into only things that dovetail into live looping should be our task. respectfully, Rick Walker