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for me, i agree with angulo and his davis quote. If something does sound like it went a little sour, then i just keep playing and work with it...if things are going horribly wrong and i am looping with my two MoFXs, then i just turn the feedback knob down from "loop" and let it fade out and start the next improv...if i am using my jamman and things go wrong, then i either fade it out manually by turning the blend knob more towards the input, or i will pull up a few effects with a completly different sound and hit the stop and immediatly play something totally different and loop that...i am eagerly awaiting my purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for when loops go wrong too :) Charlie On 7/28/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to experience my laptop or >VST > host crash during a performance. So what would I do if this occurred? >I'd > naturally play off the prior themes I was creating with my loops and > effects, and continue that thread of feel in solo...just the guitar, dry > with no effects or looping...I'd do that for a while and then naturally >end > the piece, take a break, and then reboot. In short, I'd make it "appear" > all planned, like most professionals in the entertainment business would >do. > The show must go on. Of course, the fear of doing otherwise is probably a > defect of my compulsive personality, and an overly exaggurated sense of > self-pride in my work. > > I always cringe when most musicians make mistakes or experience gear >issues > and then make the audience aware of this in detail, completely blowing >the > feel of the performance. Some performers have a good sense of humor and >can > pull it off, making jokes and making the audience laugh at the >technological > blunder...others stumble around and it comes across as really awkward and > unprofessional. And then my biggest pet peeve is when performers make > mistakes and insist on telling the audience this, self-deprecating > themselves in the process. "whoops, sorry, oh, let's try that >again...sorry, > I need to practice, etc, etc". I feel so embarrassed for people when >they > do that. I prefer that they just keep going rather than repeat the >mistake > or section ad nauseum, as if they have to get it right to move on. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:52 AM > Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. > > > > > > Do it man! > > i guess the question about correcting a loop that has > > gone wrong would apply more to loops that are supposed > > to be perfect in sync or when trying to play something > > really "groovy" rhythmically.This is why the EDP has > > become my looper of preference,with this machine i can > > comfortably make music out of mistakes,its non latency > > response and well thought out edit capabilities give > > me the most confidence onstage.With the repeater i > > often had little groove problems,i often had to adapt > > to its little latency which made it a bit > > uncomfortable,although i will miss a lot of its cool > > features like panning,pitch shifting track muting etc. > > so i would just say to the audience stay with me folks > > i promise i will get it right;-) > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > > > >> Can I post again? Please? :) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com> > >> > >> > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% > >> improvised > >> > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? > >> > >> That's my bag all right....everything I do these > >> days is totally > >> spontaneous. It's like doing drugs, but it's legal. > >> > >> > how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop > >> > abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or > >> shoe/rack > >> > gazing until u get it right? > >> > >> To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not > >> be afraid of errors. > >> There are no errors", I never play bad or incorrect > >> loops. On occasion, I > >> might play something that doesn't ring well with me > >> emotionally (neither > >> correct nor > >> incorrect), but I always manage to work with it > >> somehow. It becomes part of > >> me just like all my other personality, physical, and > >> psychological flaws as > >> a > >> human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and > >> my foot fails me (maybe > >> because I have had one too many cups of coffee or > >> drank too much alcohol), > >> generating a loop that is an 8th note longer rather > >> than what my brain > >> wanted to do > >> initially, that instantly becomes the norm and basis > >> of what I do > >> afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on > >> playing a 4/4 phrase but it > >> ends > >> up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 or > >> 11/8. In fact, I don't > >> even > >> count anymore. I never know what time signature I am > >> in unless I consciously > >> stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time. > >> Everything is feel to me > >> now. > >> > >> > for those who do or care how do you keep your > >> audience > >> > interested,do you always loop? > >> > >> I loop. I try to talk, but I never say what I want > >> to say. Music is much > >> easer as > >> language for me in public. I prefer to play non-stop > >> and say thank you at > >> the end of the show. > >> > >> > whats the best looping show you´ve been to? what > >> made > >> > it so great? > >> > >> I really enjoyed watching Jeff Kaiser, Rick Walker, > >> and Ted Killian > >> at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. I liked > >> it when some folks > >> were talking in the crowd, and then Jeff started > >> looping him self > >> whispering "stop talking". Classic, I loved it. And > >> their set was great. > >> Good chemistry, lots of space and diverse sounds, > >> etc, etc. > >> > >> > What makes you feel free while playing > >> music?organized > >> > or improvised? > >> > >> Improvised...as free as a person can get, at least, > >> metaphorically. I tend > >> to subscribe > >> to hard determinism these days...no free will, just > >> chemistry, neurons, > >> cause and effect, and necessity. I think I'm > >> determined to do what I do. > >> Everything is a result of a cause, ad infinitum. > >> That would be an > >> unproveable premise, btw. > >> > >> > i know some of this has been brought up in the > >> past > >> > perhaps but i think we all could use a > >> refreshment! > >> > Luis > >> > >> Thanks for asking! > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- tEd (r) kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the > >> >> young'ins . . . > >> >> > >> >> Some of my favorites went something like: > >> >> > >> >> 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the > >> journey > >> >> that brought you > >> >> here? > >> >> > >> >> 2. Where does your music come from -- what > >> inspires > >> >> you to create it? > >> >> > >> >> 3. What are some of your musical influences -- > >> or > >> >> looping influences > >> >> -- and why? > >> >> > >> >> 4. What are some of your favorite ways of using > >> >> your instrument or FX > >> >> gear in manners other than that it was designed > >> for? > >> >> > >> >> 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you > >> run > >> >> into a "wall", > >> >> carries you through when obstacles arise or when > >> >> you're simply tired, > >> >> uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of > >> a > >> >> musical "rut." > >> >> > >> >> Peace, > >> >> > >> >> tEd (r) kiLLiAn > >> >> > >> >> "Different is not always better, but better is > >> >> always different" > >> >> > >> >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > >> >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > >> >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > >> >> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > >> >> > >> >> > >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? > >> >> > >> >> step=view_profile&id=121197000042 > >> >> > >> >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available > >> at: > >> >> Apple iTunes, > >> >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, > >> >> DiscLogic, Napster, > >> >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > >> >> Etherstream, > >> >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > >> >> Puretracks, > >> >> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, > >> blah. > >> >> So??? > >> >> > >> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > So many people have joined this list in recent > >> >> years > >> >> > that it might be fun to revisit some of the > >> >> classic threads > >> >> > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, > >> >> techniques for improving > >> >> > live performances, etc. > >> >> > > >> >> > I know that, personally, these are always the > >> >> threads that have > >> >> > fascinated > >> >> > me and made me love being on this list. > >> >> > > >> >> > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects > >> >> but it would be cool > >> >> > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. > >> >> > > >> >> > What were your favorite five threads on this > >> list > >> > > === message truncated === > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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