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nicely put, Nick! years ago we have been talking about why loopers dont seem to become popular. >Re the rc50 video, I tend to believe the looping is more of a state >of mind and an approach to creating music, rather than using the >latest technology to show how clever you are. as it looks, its recently developing into a third way: a tool to support live music which does not sound so different from music without the tool. >The guitarist in the >video in question is treating the looper as a multitrack recorder to >allow him to widdle to his own riffs. This is all well and good, but >if you listen to true creative loopers, they are creating expressive >and original music, not just jamming over a backing track. > >The majority of designers of looping pedals clearly have the >multitrack mentality to the fore, but they kind of miss the point to >my way of thinking. To this day, the most interesting and creative >things I do use a 20 year old Powertran DDL that a friend added extra >memory to. It has no click track, no quantise, no undo or flash >memory and it wouldn't know what to do with a midi cable, but it's >*musical*. yes, but be honest: isnt it musical because it does something of its own to your playing, so it adds a character or expression that fascinates you and inspires to play what you would not? if you use a simple multitrack looper, all you can do is jam over a backing track, so you have to do do it well. Although there certainly is a public which becomes fascinated with an inspired interaction with a random or not quite controlled machine, it seems that there is much more public for a funky guy that jams well over groovy tracks. After all, Rico makes a living on it and spreads a fresh energy. Thats a lot! Right, there are also musicians who manage to do all of this and also present a unique sound and induce a meeting with a new spirit that may change the listeners lifes! Any looping tool to some extent helps to make this happen. most of us are a bit of all and in no way I want to break up into two kinds or line up musicians on a scale. maybe its even useless thinking. it took me over an hour to type this. shouldnt I be working on it instead? -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com