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I haven't been able to follow the entire thread on this one, but I hope in the business model of this sort of venture that somebody considers compensating Jeff, especially if you're going to make money off of a laptop looper that has Mobius as it's central core. In fact I've wondered about the personal ethics of using Mobius as my primary looper, making money off my performance and not paying something for the software that enables me to do what I do. Personally, I made the choice that when I did sell off my hardware looper, I paid a portion to Jeff, I mean after all, I've paid good cash for other programs that I don't use nearly as much, and don't have as good support, and aren't as good as Mobius. So maybe the question to ask is: how much is it worth to you to have a software looper that is as good as Mobius? I believe Jeff does have a donation button on his website..... My two cents worth Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca