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When I meet someone who says their instrument is a DL4 and spends years expressing themselves using that as their primary source of audio information, I'll consider it an instrument. Until then, it's an effect. TravisH On 8/25/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > > > not....I am somewhat neutral on this for now, but one part of > > in me wants to reduce effects to non-instruments when a > > traditional instrument is the primary sound generator, but > > consider effects (laptops included) inststruments when they > > are stand-alone music/tone generators. This is just a > > Ok, let's see where this will lead us...let's say you got a DL4 with a >sweep > delay, or a laptop with OhmBoyz. There is a setting on the depth/feedback > (vs. resonance/feedback) knobs where the effect will do nothing on its >own, > just react to your guitar (or whatever). Then there is a setting where >the > effect will start to generate huge washes of noise all by itself. And >there > is the range in between where by the tick of a knob it will turn from a > "tame" effect into something which will start to self-oscillate by just a > tiny increase in brownian motion. And you're telling me this tick of the > knob removes the "non-" from "non-instrument"? > > ;-), > > Rainer > >