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Thanks, Per! Yes, I suppose the group was wondering whether there was a "real guitar" under all those sound clips that I post of me playing. Sometimes it is fun to just play without all the massive tone mangling. In fact, for me it is much more challenging to play exerimental guitar with just the sound of the guitar (and some basic finishing effects like chorus and reverb), then when playing through tons of tone mangling VST effects like Reaktor, PSP84, Pluggo, Hipno, etc, etc. This goes back to the thread we had on Derek Baily and improvisation. When you just have your bare strings and wood of the guitar, it's like removing all the "dressing" around the window pane, and you just have the raw notes and instrument tones to work with....no window dressing, i.e., massive tone altering effects. Although I know there is an underying debate going on regarding whether effects are an instrument in themselves or not....I am somewhat neutral on this for now, but one part of in me wants to reduce effects to non-instruments when a traditional instrument is the primary sound generator, but consider effects (laptops included) inststruments when they are stand-alone music/tone generators. This is just a thought hypothosis, not a statement of fact. For example, when I am on my laptop with no guitar plugged in, and I am using some Reaktor instruments to generate ambient textures, sequences, tones, etc...I consider my laptop an instrument. But when I run my guitar through my laptop and use VST effects to alter the tone, even if beyond recognition, I sconsider my guitar the instrument (not the laptop...unless I am adding VST instrument tones in parallel). And in this latter case, the effects are actually making it easier for me to be creative with what I do on the guitar. Dare I say the VST effects are potentially a creative crutch here, but that would be a value statement. It's like being asked to create a painting, and you get a pallet with 50 shades of colors on it, plus some sand, mud, plastic, wood, and other things to add texture to the canvas.....vs. only having the primary colors. The analogy is not perfect, but hopefully conveys the gist of what VST effects can do to help expand you creative potential with the guitar, vs having to eek it all out with just your instrument. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:02 AM Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) > On 24 aug 2006, at 23.59, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> What you hear is the guitar, Voxengo Tube Amp, Chorus, Delay, and >> Reverb VST effects, and the Edge VST for the bass loop. There are >three >> guitar parts in this recording: bass, guitar comping, and head/soloing. >> >> http://www.box.net/public/m18s73h7bq > > > Very nice sound, indeed! Good playing and a nice jazz vamp you cooked >up > there . Tank you for posting this nice ring modulator free clip to give > us a chance to hear what your PRS actually sounds like ;-) Nice tone >in > that guitar! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > >