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Yes, I agree...this is a simple yet powerful technique, Rainer. To summarize my main point, which is really getting beyond my original topic and potentially introducing another theoretical subject around looping, is that I don't believe any tool, looper, effect device, etc is categorically "necessary" to produce creative, innovative, and interesting music (this should be a moot point, I guess). I think we all have discussed this before, and maybe it was Mark who made reference to folks who record on cheap 4-track records and make great CDs, etc...I have heard examples of this too. It basically comes down to personal choice, and what one requires to be comfortable as a looping artist. I think it has a lot to do with personality type too. Some people are innately attached to details and complexity, others not, and then there are blends, and many other factors at play. Some are fine with Record and Overdub on a Boss or Line 6 Looper, others are much more extravagant in their usage of more complicated features. But in the end, for those artists that really engage me, the number of looping features they use doesn't seem to be a necessary factor, because some do great things with the basics, others do great things with complicated looping systems. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: AW: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose, and my simple-minded approach to looping >A lot of the time, there is more than one way to get a specific effect >with > the more powerful loopers like Mobius. > Take as one example the combination of undo and redo. You could have your > basic loop, then overdub a more dense part, and then have it disappear >and > reappear using un/redo. (Which is the way you'd do it with an EDP). Or >you > could record it to another track and mute/unmute that (the way you work > with > the Repeater). With Mobius, both approaches are possible. > > A really great example for this "different approaches to the UI" were the > DL4-style scripts someone posted to the Mobius forum. The DL4 philosophy > is > totally different from the EDPs, but gives you more bang for the > footswitch > for some working styles. > > Rainer > >> coping, etc.....I am still manage to the basics when it comes >> to looping...I still use only the Record, Overdub, Multiply >> (rarely), reverse, and half-speed....and of course I really >> take advantage of the 8 tracks in Mobius, for generating >> multiple loops and mixing/playing with them during a performance. > >