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>I'm certain there are people on this list that know more about >DSP than I do, can we say for certain that with these 14 objects >we can exactly emulate the filters on something like an Access Virus? >I don't mean just close, I mean near sample accurate emulation? It's very unlikely that you can emulate a particular filter with those 14 objects. The limitations of doing dsp filters at a limited sample rate are fairly profound. ...but if you're willing to spend the cash on a particular vst filter, or are a dsp programming expert who understands the filter maths then MAX could (I expect) sound close enough to any other software setup. Just because it's "possible in max" doesn't necessarily mean that anybody would take the time/expense to accomplish it, especially if there's an easier way to do it. andy butler