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The Access Virus B (and indigo) has a random function with two controls - amount & intensity. 'amount' adjusts how many parameters will change, and 'intensity' affects how much. you can start with any program in the library with a relatively low setting and keep hitting 'random' until you work yourself into the most alien thing youve ever heard. your face being eaten by ants. jello being squeezed into a thousand tiny holes around the room. a very effective technique, especially if you're lacking inspiration, or smoke pot. this (of course) isn't an "effects unit" per say, its a virtual analog synth. it has basic onboard effects that are sort of crummy, and a pair of analog ins for filtering/effecting outside sources. nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? please, answer me! or, let me know if i am asking wrong - i am new to the list. i know its kind of a nebulous question, but i really want something to start with that i can synch via midi and has multiple outs. happy tuesday, everyone. etienne de rithma www.rithma.org