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This type of thing always comes to my mind of course. Years ago I designed a program on the PC called "MIDI Network manager". And wrote a good chunk of it. I wrote a big interrupt routine in C that would process incoming messages and generate outgoing messages in accordance with information in the current patch. It could do things like allow the user to call up a patch which would send chord charts to little displays each musician would have even... and allow just about any arbitrary thing you can imagine...like for a certain song allow a keyboard player at the end of the stream to control the volume of the drummer with his mod wheel :-).. or the drummer to construct a more perfet hi-hat cymbal; setting up a velocity/ position table that would trigger the appropriate sample for that situation and it would track velocity of the closure and generate an accurate velocity. I moved during after completing that part and contemplating the user interface and was planning on boxing a small 386-33 pc board I had with a short input card that would have 16 trigger inputs and 4 pedal inputs. I finished the first part back in the mid-90's but experienced just wholesale hardship in my life; losing money trying to build PC's for people at the time and getting ripped off by people in Eugene, OR where one person's *reality* affirms that they owe you no money because you really owed it to them even though you never met them before. .... hehe. So anyway after getting things back on track financially here in Bozeman, MT where people usually feel that they owe you something for services rendered for some lunatic reason.... I discovered that I could find a copy of every stupid driver for a mouse that I had ever owned..but I could not find the backups of that program! Oh well..naturally..after all i spent more time on it than anything else. It had to be the one thing to absolutely dispappear. Grief... Anyway definitely sounds like it might be a great direction to create a more hardware version of the mobius thing working in conjunction with him. I'll try to research that as soon as I get a few things done I'm working on here. -Bob Joshua Carroll wrote: > Seriously! Not to beat a dead horse, but a hardware Mobius host (even > if it was just a mini-PC that boots straight into Mobius with onboard > audio/midi i/o) would be incredible. > > --Josh > > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > >> Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you could >> use Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could use it. >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> >> Oooh, and it would be even better if it had /8/ stereo EDPs that >> could run in or out of sync with eachother... >> >> Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again... >> >> Ha! :) >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some >>> trouble. >>> Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. >>> All the same functions. >>> Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! >>> Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. >>> With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of >>> custom layouts. >>> 10 gigs of storage. >>> Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic >>> stand. >>> Firewire, or USB connections. >>> Balanced and Unbalanced outs. >>> VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be >>> controlled seamlessly. >>> 1 Rack space >>> under $300 >>> Free 24 hour support line. >>> >>> Now, get busy. >>> >>> >>> MFC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- Original message -------------- >>> From: "GORDIUS info" <info@gordius.be> >>> >>> > >>> > I'd like to add one question to this : >>> > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you >>> target, Bob? Something >>> > else than a foot pedal? >>> > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new >>> design for a >>> > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the >>> "physical range" of >>> > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I >>> have trouble making >>> > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 >>> single step in the >>> > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't >>> make any sense >>> > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of >>> controller in >>> > mind? >>> > >>> > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range >>> and make it a >>> > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get >>> much better >>> > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in >>> firmware, rather than >>> > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by >>> 10-bit AD >>> > conversion). >>> > >>> > Xavier >>> > http://www.gordius.be >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] >>> > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 >>> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... >>> > >>> > Ok, here's some friendly advice. >>> > >>> > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on >>> this list. So far *> you've described a rather basic looper, >>> except that you seem to be obsessed >>> > with the resolution of the output level control. In all >>> the wish lists and >>> > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this >>> is not a feature >>> > that I remember being mentioned. >>> > >>> > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper >>> market, I would be >>> > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, >>> synchronization >>> > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and >>> "editing" functions >>> > like insert, multiply, replace, etc. >>> > >>> > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not >>> "professional level" is >>> > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that >>> use it, as well >>> > as the professional level musicians that use other devices >>> and software with >>> > a MIDI volume control. >>> > >>> > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical >>> ambitions are >>> > bei ng stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? >>> > >>> > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a >>> better job smoothing >>> > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful >>> attenuation curve >>> > at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti >>> ons to these >>> > problems that are quite effective if not perfect. >>> > >>> > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as >>> a rather odd >>> > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing >>> money in this >>> > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the >>> market for hardware >>> > loopers. >>> > >>> > Jeff >>> > * >>>