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If it's on a CD it is 'digital' and thereby called 'digitally mastered'. The mastering engineer on those reissues uses an analog EQ / compression chain. >You know, I kinda wonder if the reason they mastered >these new sets is because of digital, after all, those >early Zep albums were done in analog, which brings >back the onverly exhasted debate about digial and >analog. > >Aside from that, I once read an article about Van >Halen releasing a Best Of compilation, and some of the >new material was mastered with no compression. His >reason for doing it...He wanted to see what it would >sound like and the radio stations compress the hell >out of them again to make for consistent volumes from >song to song, so by leaving it uncompressed, the song >would sound rather dynamic throught the radio >station's compressors...clever. >--- Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >> Too bad that the remastered Zep CDs are too loud way >> too bright... >> >> >> >Absolutely Brian!those Zeppelin record production >> >still amaze me,and they are made to be turned >> up!those >> >drum sounds still sound fresh and the sounds page >> got >> >out of those small amps and guitars are the most >> >interesting ive heard in rock n roll history.What >> ive >> >always found brilliant about such a band was the >> >passion behind it,there are mistakes all over the >> >place like the solo on "baby i am gonna leave you" >> the >> >instrumental "black mountain side" or the bleeding >> >echo at the end of "you shook me" or the cut off >> lost >> >part by their engineer which i believe page fired >> on >> >the spot which they had to solve by pasting another >> >part at the begining of "celebration day"... >> >but is the honesty power and passion,no frills or >> >thrills they played back in those days that make >> them >> >so special to this day,almost as if it was the last >> >time they were going to live... >> >Luis >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >--- greg williams <gregorwilliams@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Brian, >> >> >> >> I am also a fan of Page and his production in >> >> general in terms of dynamics, >> >> but have you heard "How the West was Won"? It >> was >> >> hugely disappointing for >> >> me in this regard; it is squashed beyond belief, >> and >> >> so is the sound on the >> >> Zeppelin DVD, which was released around the same >> >> time. I don't know if it >> >> was Page himself who suddenly caved in or his >> >> mastering engineer, but I >> >> really wish I could hear those recordings with >> some >> >> dynamics still intact. >> >> >> >> ~Greg >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Brian Kupferschmid >> >> [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] >> >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:48 AM >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds >> terrible >> >> >> >> I wholly agree with this, I believe a lot of >> today's >> >> music is crap, not just because the talent is >> >> lacking, >> >> but the dynamics as a whole is lacking. Aside >> from >> >> super compressed material, the bands themselves >> only >> >> see to know two sounds, clean and dirty. >> Where's >> >> the >> >> middle ground? I can listen to a blues song and >> >> still >> >> hear the dynamics, I can hear the accentuations >> on >> >> the >> >> notes being played to create emotion. A lot of >> >> today's pop and rock music lacks that. Mind >> you, >> >> Metal in all it's forms, isn't supposed to be >> >> dynamic >> >> in the musical sense, but why would you squeeze >> the >> >> life out of any song to make it in your face? >> My >> >> favorite stuff to listen to would be anything >> Jimmy >> >> Page produced(Led Zeppelin for sure). He >> composed >> >> his >> >> songs and used the studio to enhance his >> material >> >> with >> >> what he refers to "light and shade". The >> >> combination >> >> of close and room micing, soft versus loud and >> >> layering acoustics with clean electrics and so >> on. >> >> If >> >> you think about it, even some of the heaviest > > >> sounding >> >> stuff he did, wasn't all that distorted. >> >> Ultimately, >> >> his use of dynamics traslated over into the >> >> mastering >> >> part as well, what makes the big parts sound big >> is >> >> the small parts, thus making the song truly >> >> engulfing. >> >> Another band to use dynamics to it's fullest is >> >> Tool, >> >> because of the ebb and flow, you can listen to >> an 8 >> >> minute tune and not get bored, because the >> shifts in >> >> phrasing and dynamics keeps you there, and >> what's >> >> more, everytime you listen to it, a new part >> pops up >> >> you didn't realise was there before. Anyway, >> I've >> >> spoken what I think, so I have to agree, part of >> > > what >> >> is annoying about today's music is the lack of >> >> dynamics, it wears you out. >> >> --- Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > This is an interesting article posted on the >> jazz >> >> > guitar discussion group. >> >> > Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting >> discussions >> >> > about the abuses or >> >> > misgivings of compression and the quest for >> hotter >> >> > levels in newer CDs when >> >> > I was mastering the discs for the Boise >> >> Experimental >> >> > Music Festival....all >> >> > the different ways you can increase levels >> (for >> >> CDs >> >> > to sound comparable to >> > > > other professional CDs in your player), yet >> >> > maintain natural dynamics, etc. >> >> > Now, it has occured to me that often times >> when I >> >> > hear a CD, especially >> >> > pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that >> is a >> >> > really hot and "in your >> >> > face" level", the mix also doesn't have much >> of a >> >> > dynamic range...some guy >> >> > is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that >> is >> >> is >> >> > practically blowing his >> >> > brains out to get that tone out of his >> horn...but >> >> it >> >> > is no louder than the >> >> > section where he is wispering poetry over an >> >> ambient >> >> > section. It's like >> >> > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, >> >> > limit....turn that wave form >> >> > into a solid bar, and then raise it to >> 0db...in >> >> your >> >> > face, 100% of the time. >> >> > Below is the first time I've seen this >> referred to >> >> > as exhausting, but it >> >> > makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo >> down, >> >> > there might be something to >> >> > be said of giving the human pyche a break with >> >> > natural dynamics and more >> >> > space. >> >> > >> >> >> >>Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, >> >> > etc, >> >> > etc. >> >> > >> >> > This article/topic, could I suppose turn into >> the >> >> > discussion of the >> >> > pschological results/benefits of adding more >> space >> >> > to one's compositions >> >> > (not making the composition "better" or >> "worse," >> >> > mind you). 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