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I was there last year (which is where I met Kevin). I don't get the outrage - you don't like it, don't participate. The ticket cost was minimal. It was fun - lots of interesting people there. I doubt that the organizers were turning much of a profit. I don't think there was hardly anyone there who wasn't performing. The space was out in the Philly burbs - no walk-by, no hip urban environment (or hip beach college town environment) to speak of. Food is included, although it's pretty spotty - but there is no place in walking distance to eat. And it's a big space (if it's the same) - don't know what the rental is, but there is a concert hall, an addl performance room and an events room, along with a jam room upstairs. something happening pretty continuously everywhere, it seemed to me. Hey, I used to belong to bands where we payed for rehearsal space - that was about as much "pay to play" as this is, really. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:41 AM, <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com> wrote: > Quoting Bob Amstadt <bobld@amstadt.com>: > > > > > Yea, unless a festival can secure enough corporate sponsors, you are > > forced to run it this way. Basically, you can think of it as a > > convention. People are gathered to share their art with their peers. > > > > > That is how I view electro-music -- as a convention. > > -- Kevin > >