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Thank you for making the "good music" assumption! Sure wish you were a booker! :-P It feels totally crass to quantify this, BTW, but I'll play along. I define "true fan" is someone who is interested in new releases and will always make an effort to see me if there's a show in their town. I had a band that accumulated probably 50 in this category (as opposed to more casual fans) over three years of active playing. I'm just starting out a solo artist - first solo CD and first solo shows were both last year - but around half of those band fans are still interested. Last year I did 23 shows and added or got acquainted with maybe 10 or 20 more fans. This year I hope to put out five releases and do double that number of shows, so I imagine there'll be statistically more. Will I ever hit 1000? Who knows. If so, it'll take a decade at least, for sure, without one of those mythical "breaks" like a tour with someone more established or record label support which would change things (and on which I'm not counting one iota). As for "demands of life" vs.musical activity, my hero (and probably favorite musician, period) is Elvin Jones - taking oxygen on the bandstand and playing live up til a couple of weeks before he died at age 76. I aim to keep playing as much as I can, day job or no day job, til they pry my cold dead fingers... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Not to pick on you personally, but I'm assuming you make "good" music > and that you're "getting out there". While I'm guessing you don't > have the 1000TF, I'm wondering how many you (and anyone else out there > who cares to share) do have and how many years it took to acquire them. > > I mean, unless we're assuming that we're all going to live a thousand > years or something, people are usually only "getting out there" for > ten or twenty years before the demands of life severely curtail active > public musical activity. It's one thing to get 1000TF if you've > already been part of the first division of the music industry, another > thing if you're starting off at ground zero as an unknown quantity.