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Hi ! I am writing about guitarist and looper Eivind Aarset, and when I try to understand how and what he does, I think I must put into words; what an instrument is, what effects are, and what looping is. So I posted this, thinking I could get some ideas from you. Thanks! http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/eivind-aarset/jul-08/86529 There is one more thing, I have studied Aarset music and his liveconserts and read interviews, but I lack some topic to discuss regarding; player, instruments and electronics. Boysen, wrote something like this; electronics can be used to change the sound of an instrument - or it can be used as a another way of playing, and Where would you put Aarset regarding this? Best regards Rune F --- Den lør 2008-08-30 skrev Matthias Grob <matigrob@gmail.com>: > Fra: Matthias Grob <matigrob@gmail.com> > Emne: Re: Is looping an effect, a instrument or something else? > Til: "Andy Butler" <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>, rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Dato: Lørdag 30. august 2008 17.58 > I see your point Andy > > but anything can turn into an instrument > we have a famous sambist fat woman here who only plays a > standard > porcelan dish with a spoon > does this mean that a dish is an instrument? > > I think for the ordinary people, a musical instrument > creates sound > and a live looping tool on principle only repeats sound > > yes, why is this off list now? > > Matthias > > > On 29 Aug 2008, at 06:03, andy butler wrote: > > > > > > > rune fagereng wrote: > >> Hi ! > >> Butler wrote; > >> very obviously many of us are playing the looper > like an > >>> instrument, > >>> and some are essentially playing an instrument > which > >>> incorporates the looping device. > >> This is interesting; so its how you use it thats > the matter? > >> Rune F. > > > > > > :-) > > Yes, that simplifies the idea in a very clear way. > > > > Actually, I'm surprised that Matthias appears to > think otherwise, > > as the loop device he invented can be used to play > back a set of > > triggered samples, and is the most instrument like of > > all looping devices. > > (and he's been in the room when I've been > using the edp as an > > instrument;-) > > andy > > ps, > > I notice you replied off-list, > > feel free to post it back to the list if you think the > discussion > > will be worthwhile. > > > > > >>> ok, I'll assume for now that we're > talking about > >>> live looping here, > >>> and not the numerous other techniques also > called > >>> "looping". > >>> > >>> Re: Is looping an effect, a instrument or > something else? > >>> > >>> It's a bit like asking "is an > amplifier an instrument?" > >>> The obvious answer is no, > >>> ...but then we hear what Jimi Hendrix did with > his guitar, > >>> and wonder if that music was even conceivable > without the > >>> amplifier. > >>> So we migh think that in this case the > instrument is > >>> guitar+amp. > >>> > >>> It's just as obvious that a guitar(for > instance) is the > >>> instrument, > >>> and the looping device an assistant in some > way. > >>> I couldn't apply that to much of the music > that's > >>> made with looping devices though. > >>> Very obviously many of us are playing the > looper like an > >>> instrument, > >>> and some are essentially playing an instrument > which > >>> incorporates the looping device. > >>> > >>> > >>> andy butler > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> rune fagereng wrote: > >>>> Grob wrote; > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> as I see it, its neither instrument > nor effect, > >>> its a tool > >>>>> for composition or improvisation > >>>>> of course I tried many times to define > it > >>>>> its simpler today, as most people have > seen it > >>> happening > >>>>> and you can put a link to some video > >>>>> my latest descriptions are on > livelooping.org and > >>>>> aurisis.com, you are welcome to grab > them! > >>>> Hi and thanks ! > >>>> > >>>> I will look at your websites - thanks. > >>>> I had a short vitit at your personly > website, and > >>> noticed you also are sceptic about electronic > instruments. > >>> If > >>>> thats so - count me in. I will look into > how and why > >>> you feel so. Hope I dont offend anyone. > >>>> best regarding Rune F Norway > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 28 Aug 2008, at 08:14, rune > fagereng wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi ! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am to write a little something > regarding; > >>>>> instruments - effects - > >>>>>> looping - sampling - digital > sound... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Does anyone have some writings > about looping > >>> defining > >>>>> what it is - > >>>>>> and are some pictures or figures > showing - or > >>>>> illustrating what > >>>>>> looping is - for someone who dont > know? Best > >>> if not in > >>>>> pdf - so I > >>>>>> can borrow pictures. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Rune F. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > _________________________________________________________ > >>>>>> Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! 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