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there's lots of this thread that went off-list by mistake, so I brought it back again:- Matthias Grob wrote: > I see your point Andy > > but anything can turn into an instrument > we have a famous sambist fat woman here who only plays a standard > porcelan dish with a spoon > does this mean that a dish is an instrument? A ghatam is an instrument. ...so why not a plate. Anyway, you just said that "anything can turn into an instrument", so I would be just contradicting you if I said her plate didn't turn into one. :-) > > I think for the ordinary people, a musical instrument creates sound > and a live looping tool on principle only repeats sound A sampling keyboard just repeats sound too . Anyway, the edp even has features in it's design which are intended to be used as an instrument. You can load up to 16 samples and play them from a keyboard. Maybe it's not so interesting whether we call a looper an instrument, clearly it just depends on how we define "instrument". Perhaps we could ask, "If a looper is an instrument, what kind of instrument is it?" "In what ways does this new instrument make new musical forms possible?" andy butler > > yes, why is this off list now? > > Matthias possibly because Rune has his email address in the <Reply To> field. (and I didn't realize...got caught out again) > > > On 29 Aug 2008, at 06:03, andy butler wrote: > >> >> >> rune fagereng wrote: >>> Hi ! >>> Butler wrote; >>> very obviously many of us are playing the looper like an >>>> instrument, >>>> and some are essentially playing an instrument which >>>> incorporates the looping device. >>> This is interesting; so its how you use it thats the matter? >>> Rune F. >> >> >> :-) >> Yes, that simplifies the idea in a very clear way. >> >> Actually, I'm surprised that Matthias appears to think otherwise, >> as the loop device he invented can be used to play back a set of >> triggered samples, and is the most instrument like of >> all looping devices. >> (and he's been in the room when I've been using the edp as an >> instrument;-) >> andy >> ps, >> I notice you replied off-list, >> feel free to post it back to the list if you think the discussion will >> be worthwhile. >> >> >>>> ok, I'll assume for now that we're talking about >>>> live looping here, >>>> and not the numerous other techniques also called >>>> "looping". >>>> >>>> Re: Is looping an effect, a instrument or something else? >>>> >>>> It's a bit like asking "is an amplifier an instrument?" >>>> The obvious answer is no, >>>> ...but then we hear what Jimi Hendrix did with his guitar, >>>> and wonder if that music was even conceivable without the >>>> amplifier. >>>> So we migh think that in this case the instrument is >>>> guitar+amp. >>>> >>>> It's just as obvious that a guitar(for instance) is the >>>> instrument, >>>> and the looping device an assistant in some way. >>>> I couldn't apply that to much of the music that's >>>> made with looping devices though. >>>> Very obviously many of us are playing the looper like an >>>> instrument, >>>> and some are essentially playing an instrument which >>>> incorporates the looping device. >>>> >>>> >>>> andy butler >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> rune fagereng wrote: >>>>> Grob wrote; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> as I see it, its neither instrument nor effect, >>>> its a tool >>>>>> for composition or improvisation >>>>>> of course I tried many times to define it >>>>>> its simpler today, as most people have seen it >>>> happening >>>>>> and you can put a link to some video >>>>>> my latest descriptions are on livelooping.org and >>>>>> aurisis.com, you are welcome to grab them! >>>>> Hi and thanks ! >>>>> >>>>> I will look at your websites - thanks. >>>>> I had a short vitit at your personly website, and >>>> noticed you also are sceptic about electronic instruments. >>>> If >>>>> thats so - count me in. I will look into how and why >>>> you feel so. Hope I dont offend anyone. >>>>> best regarding Rune F Norway >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 28 Aug 2008, at 08:14, rune fagereng wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am to write a little something regarding; >>>>>> instruments - effects - >>>>>>> looping - sampling - digital sound... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone have some writings about looping >>>> defining >>>>>> what it is - >>>>>>> and are some pictures or figures showing - or >>>>>> illustrating what >>>>>>> looping is - for someone who dont know? Best >>>> if not in >>>>>> pdf - so I >>>>>>> can borrow pictures. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rune F. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med >>>> adressekartotek, >>>>>> kalender og >>>>>>> notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>>> Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! 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