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Sure, but I was talking about me - not you ;-)) My main task is to set up an easy to handle live graphics solution. But since my available time is limited I can't promise I will be able to record video and post (as you suggested us in your latest post). That's what I was trying to communicate. Thanks again for all great information! Per On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote: > Per, > > Just to be clear: that WAS a live concert configuration ... it would be >the > same with the wife's MacBook ... and I'd be able to do a "Video Out" to a > projector and then "Oh, wow, man! look at the pretty colors!" > > *GRIN > > Dennis > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Great research, Dennis! Good to know that it is possible to set up >> iTunes plus NiceCast on one box. I'm more interested in a live concert >> set-up though. Somehow I also like the Sonique plug-ins better than >> iTunes visualiser, so I think I'll go with a Windows laptop running >> the Audio Visualisation Screen Saver and an extra audio stream cable >> to pop into its mic input. I did a test run on that here and it works >> fine. >> >> Per >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Okay, final data point for this topic from me: >> > >> > On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on >the >> > G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked >the use >> > "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this >machine >> > has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and >told it >> > to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to >use the >> > "WhiteCap" visualizer. >> > >> > In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the >> > USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding >with a >> > guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to >iTunes and >> > hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" >and the >> > visualizer kicked in ... >> > >> > So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... >do >> > I need to do a video capture? >> > >> > Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos! >> > >> > Dennis >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the >> >> Electric Sheep project is really very cool. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> you can see a short documentary about it here >> >> http://blip.tv/file/1233576 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by >> >> audio >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to >> >> the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this >is what >> >> the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run >the app >> >> on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast >'server' >> >> of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself >as an >> >> active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as >input as >> >> well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> From: Dennis Moser >> >> >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by >> >> audio >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Per, >> >> >> >> *GRIN ... thanks! >> >> >> >> "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you >describe, >> >> i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and >point it >> >> to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a >> >> possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this >simply >> >> because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate >machine to >> >> run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the >> >> background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it >works. >> >> Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on >separate >> >> machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes >sense to >> >> you! >> >> >> >> Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet >> >> cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an >> >> ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you >describe it, >> >> it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP >> >> address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of >> >> 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it >was >> >> running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on >the same >> >> subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP >addresses >> >> such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). >We have >> >> five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my >production >> >> machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the >subneted >> >> wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP >addresses to >> >> spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. >> >> >> >> To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number >of >> >> tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may >work >> >> better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate >machines, but >> >> the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by >describing >> >> what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site >that Todd >> >> set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... >> >> >> >> Later! >> >> >> >> Dennis >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser ><sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: >> >> > >> >> > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis >> >> > whenever >> >> > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, >> >> > actually >> >> > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, >> >> > but for >> >> > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the >> >> > most >> >> > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a >NiceCast. >> >> > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a >stream >> >> > that >> >> > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be >> >> > configured to >> >> > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do >some >> >> > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to >> >> > have an >> >> > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. >> >> >> >> Dennis, >> >> >> >> That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable >> >> information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast >> >> server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a >> >> PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? >> >> >> >> But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on >the >> >> same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to >> >> connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same >> >> machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a >> >> minute...) >> >> >> >> I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is >> >> VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze >> >> mode during certain algorithms. >> >> >> >> Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and >> >> buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton >> >> Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins >> >> that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic >> >> Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to >find >> >> that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and >> >> turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is >> >> >http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html >> >> and the USD 25 license is picked up at >> >> http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> >> >> Per Boysen >> >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> >> www.looproom.com (international) >> >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://myspace.com/usrsbin >> >> http://audiozoloft.com >> >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: >> >> 11/1/2008 9:36 AM >> > >> > >> > -- >> > http://myspace.com/usrsbin >> > http://audiozoloft.com >> > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> > > > > -- > http://myspace.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com