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When I started doing live looping I assumed that I needed to use Live. But I struggled with it for quite some time, and eventually tried Bidule (which is what I currently use). Live by itself is not a very good live looper, IMO. You'l still need a VST looper plugin. At that point, one might easily view Live as a lot of overhead for nothing. I prefer Bidule because it's based on the idea of patchable components, so I can patch together exactly what I need, and nothing extra. Live straddles the line between performance software and a full-blown DAW. A workflow I've found to be really powerful is to do the looping in Bidule/Mobius, and afterwards pull the various Mobius loop clips in to Live for arrangement/mixing. I am having a major blast working like this! -George ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 11:41:47 AM Subject: Live vs Bidule in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use Ableton Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or does anyone use both? -Michael