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On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:19 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote: > > But this makes me think, isnt all this "Rate shift is cooler than Time > Stretch" talk a bit nonsensical.. YOu think to much. ;-) > Im interested to hear you use this Per... For a sounding example clip of this, listen to the song "Shine" at http://www.stockholm-athens.com/ (live rate shifting a loop that is constantly overdubbing with feedback set somewhere around 75 percent) Or this direct access clip: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Nostril_Waltz_excerpt.mp3 Improvising "chord change vamps" on the looper while playing melody line over it. Or this direct access clip: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Sledge_On_Ice_In_Mist_excerpt.mp3 Improvising "chord change vamps" on the looper while using the lead melody line played through a 8th note tremolo to emphasize the original four-on-the-floor beat (since rate shifting fucks shit up) > Im certain you can use octave and maybe 5ths, but isnt ANY other rate >gonna > RYTHYMICALLY crash with the beat/pulse of your music. Yes, and that's the point! Crashes are nice if you play over them. I take it you are hinting at poly rhythm when typing "RYTHYMICALLY crash" ;-) > But isnt Repeater style TIME STRETCH > more musically usefull? Only if you don't explore the poly rhythms that may occur when rate shifting a loop. I remember when I was using a Repeater I initially liked it that it always played the same thing but at different pitches. My first flirt with varispeed was the HalfSpeed of the EDP. But then I started fiddling with Augustus Loop together with the EDP and I found that Augustus varispeed opened up not only for all kinds of pitch changes but also for interesting rhythms. Then Mobius came around with varispeed and SooperLooper got it too. In the hardware world I've been enjoying varispeed looping since around -82 with various analog delays and Roland Chorus Delay (tape). Buy you get to a new level of musical control when you start learning those rhythmic crashes, because when in software you can set it up for a pure third, fifth or whatever and incorporate what that sounds like into your imagination for impro (or for composing if you are so inclined) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com