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Raul Bonell schrieb: > Composing is thinking about a form, just being aware of it. In the > end you can't avoid it, at least in composition, as every piece has > a beginning and an end... > > so then, why give it a single thought? If you don't care, you do it unconsciously and probably much worse than you could by just being aware of it. If you train your skills you gotta fly... > regarding improvisation, could you point out what xenakis' ideas versed > about it, please. i'm really interested. any related site? Xenakis was not at all into improvising, but a lot into form in composition. He wrote a whole book about it called "Formalized Music"... In his time the stochastic ideas he had would not have been possible to achieve in realtime, all was done in a long process, at the end he would have a score, which normal musicians could read (and hardly play...;-) Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder