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Mainstream media is not penetrated anymore, it doesn't look for pebetration, it just whines and sticks to worn-out formulas of entertainment. Mainstream and substreams have luckily, finally become almost completely cultural fields it seems. Mainstream today exploits its lage back catalogues, and if it releases new stuff, than substreams woudlonly influence that, when some worn-out looks for new hipness in fields that never stop developping. therefore even those small acquired hipnesses are likely to be aged by the time the get released as part of a mainstream sales item. Among musicians and music lovers there is one large gap: You're passionate and serious about what you do and love, or you're not. If you're not, then you might fit the mainstream. Few exceptions might include Amy Whitehouse f.e.. Nevertheless her musical influences derive from the 50s and 60s, and we can all watch the rapid speed at which an artist like her goes down. The new and wonderful all breaches out now, and if at all looking for a home, then usually finding one in small communities of very dedicated fans. So everyone involved feels special again. I love it. - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > DEFINING CULTURAL YEAR of the DECADE > > > A pattern I've observed has been that the new thing coalesces > about 4th or 5th year of decade,becomes visible to the media by the > 7th year,and is mainstream at the beginning of the next decade. As > in Psychedlic/blues rock in the 60s. (amazing how often I see early > 70s bands/tunes reffered to as 60s )punk in the 70s .what happend in > the 80s I think of as digital decentralization (McLuhn was right The > Media is the massage.). Even as Grunge World Music ( which really > happened in the 80s) and HipHop,and House music played out more or > less the previous pattern, in Seattle which was the youth culture > Mecca of the 90s because of Grunge ,what was floushing was a > smorgasbord of all the music/style that had ever been trendy > before. a generation of classicists in a sense,but with no > particular identity of their own. > I've been really puzzled by 00s. There are all sorts of things > happening,that seem more mainstrem than the cool stuff Matt > mentions- from faux whitetrash Americana to Cabaret to Steampunk , > but there are a million different tribes and nothing has dominated > stylistically so much as in previous decades.I have no idea what's > penetrating mainstream media.