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Mark, i had the Motu for a while and though the mixer is flexible i found it very tedious manually though through the software is obviously the way to do it.Some things i just prefer to do manually! syncing mobious and the adrenalinn and sending program changes to it with my FCB1010 was however a nightmare,as soon as i started doing midi sync stuff i just could not get it to work right,my presonus works flawless and is way cheaper! then again try it and tell us your results cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> schrieb am Mi, 14.10.2009: > Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> > Betreff: Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping. > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Datum: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009, 11:17 > Further to this 1U discussion, has anyone > tried the Motu Traveller as a loopers mixer? It seems to be > very interesting... but i dont have one, but am thinking > about it ... alot.... > > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun05/articles/motutraveler.htm > > > > > Mark > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM, > andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> > wrote: > > > hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere suffereing the "mixer > problem") > > > > I had a really good look at the Alesis 8Line. > > > > The chips used are the cheapest op amps available for > audio. > > The construction is good enough, but not better than > Behringer > > ( held together by self tap screws). > > The "tech support" on the website never replies > at all. > > > > As it's a line mixer though, the cheap chips only have > to do 1:1 amplification, which means the sound quality > doesn't suffer too much. > > > > I wouldn't consider it for studio use, but for live > work I think it's > > going to scrape by. > > As for noise levels...less than the EDPs. > > > > I was able to successfully mod the 8Line so that the mic > input, and > > one other, are sent to the FX send without going to the > main mix. > > That's a very easy hack to do which makes the mixer > loop friendly, > > just clipping a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days to > work out > > which wires to clip because Alesis won't provide > docs). > > I also added switches for that, which is a bit harder, but > allows a bit of flexibility. > > I reckon it wouldn't be hard to do other mods to the > 8Line, luike re=routing > > > > I don't know the Rolls stuff at all, don't even > know if > > there's a European dealer. > > ...but I mailed their tech support to test them out on your > behalf ;-) > > > > > > > > Anyway, those 2 mixers have very different feature lists, > > surely that's the first consideration? > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.Angulo wrote: > > > hey Andy, > > Still investigating this. > > Which one do you think is better in terms of sound quality > between this and the Rolls RM 65B? > > > > specs here for both > > > > http://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf > > > > http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line > > > > anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this the ideal small mixer we've > > all been looking for? > > > > Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping. > > http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line. > > > > > > Feature list and mini review. > > > > features > > > > All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless otherwise > > noted. > > 8 stereo/mono input channels, vol, balance, fx send > > *Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance, for > each > > channel) > > stereo FX return (with vol control) > > Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR, no > > phantom. > > Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol. > > > > ..and some additional connections on *stereo* 1/4 in jacks > > Monitor out...after master vol > > Mix out ...before master vol > > Input to main bus. > > Input to fx bus. > > (those last 3 are officially for daisy chaining 2 or more > > units). > > > > Comments > > 1) stereo fx bus....that's very useful > > 2) seems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy. > > 3) none of the controls has a 0dB calibration, which makes > > set up that much harder. ( the cheap Behringer > > stuff often has this). Not really a problem. > > 4) the mic input sounds good enough for live work with > good > > full range response. Not for studio though, there's > > a distinctive quality/color to the transient response, > and > > no 48V. > > 5) Mic pre-amp doesn't have an insert, and there's > no way > > to make fx send pre fade. In simple terms > > this means you can't EQ the mic, or compress it. > > (and can't use my Vortex patches!) > > 6) the additional connectors available give some > > scope for extra routing, as long as you > > don't mind using Y-cables. > > 7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an independent > > vol control, (such as would be useful for > > sending to Zoom H2 for recording) > > 8) there's no mixer schematic in the manual, it's > printed > > on the top of the unit. Obviously > > when you rack the unit you no longer have the > > schematic which is the only way to see > > the mixer features at a glance. > > 9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple of jack > > to XLR converters and > > you're able to say " I have my own DI box" > to any > > sound engineer you encounter when playing live. > > This reduces their anxiety about how to deal with > > your complex setup to zero. > > 10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which would > > make the unit much more usable. > > > > Conclusion > > Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear, and add > > a microphone > > with just a 1u unit. > > > > If you don't need to use the mic-pre there's no > real minus > > points to the mixer, > > apart from lack of pre-fade sends. > > Sound quality is easily good enough for live work. > > > > Big disappointment is the implementation of the mic input. > > There's no way to > > eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, and have a > > dynamic mic that > > will give that you can't really this mixer. Using with > an > > SM58, for instance, will > > just give you that unclear boxy sound which is normally > > filtered out at the desk. > > So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understands. > > I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well > for > > feeding assorted > > acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those > > aren't exactly > > cheap. > > Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their setup ( or > > to remove a mic-pre > > to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated. > > > > Further investigation. > > It must be possible to mod this unit so that there's a > way > > to eq( or Vortex) the mic. > > but no service sheet available. > > > > I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was sent a > > pair of automated responses > > promising a reply within 2 days....about a week ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sie sind Spam leid? 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