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thanx Andy,actually i think the Rolls mics dont sound too bad though im not a sound expert,what i dont like about it is the aux send config and the front knobs,the Alesis looks better in that department,and you can send any mic input signal to the FX send and offcourse you can use the mon bus as an fx send as well. but id be delighted to hear your comparison on both! cheers mate Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am Mi, 14.10.2009: > Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> > Betreff: Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping. > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Datum: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009, 5:16 > hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere > suffereing the "mixer problem") > > I had a really good look at the Alesis 8Line. > > The chips used are the cheapest op amps available for > audio. > The construction is good enough, but not better than > Behringer > ( held together by self tap screws). > The "tech support" on the website never replies at all. > > As it's a line mixer though, the cheap chips only have to > do 1:1 > amplification, which means the sound quality doesn't suffer > too much. > > I wouldn't consider it for studio use, but for live work I > think it's > going to scrape by. > As for noise levels...less than the EDPs. > > I was able to successfully mod the 8Line so that the mic > input, and > one other, are sent to the FX send without going to the > main mix. > That's a very easy hack to do which makes the mixer loop > friendly, > just clipping a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days to > work out > which wires to clip because Alesis won't provide docs). > I also added switches for that, which is a bit harder, but > > allows a bit of flexibility. > I reckon it wouldn't be hard to do other mods to the 8Line, > luike re=routing > > I don't know the Rolls stuff at all, don't even know if > there's a European dealer. > ...but I mailed their tech support to test them out on your > behalf ;-) > > > > Anyway, those 2 mixers have very different feature lists, > surely that's the first consideration? > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.Angulo wrote: > > hey Andy, > > Still investigating this. > > Which one do you think is better in terms of sound > quality between this and the Rolls RM 65B? > > > > specs here for both > > > > http://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf > > > > http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line > > > > anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is this the ideal small mixer we've > >> all been looking for? > >> > >> Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping. > >> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line. > >> > >> > >> Feature list and mini review. > >> > >> features > >> > >> All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless > otherwise > >> noted. > >> 8 stereo/mono input channels, vol, balance, > fx send > >> *Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance, > for each > >> channel) > >> stereo FX return (with vol control) > >> Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, > XLR, no > >> phantom. > >> Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol. > >> > >> ..and some additional connections on *stereo* 1/4 > in jacks > >> Monitor out...after master vol > >> Mix out ...before master vol > >> Input to main bus. > >> Input to fx bus. > >> (those last 3 are officially for daisy chaining 2 > or more > >> units). > >> > >> Comments > >> 1) stereo fx bus....that's very useful > >> 2) seems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy. > >> 3) none of the controls has a 0dB calibration, > which makes > >> set up that much harder. ( the cheap Behringer > >> stuff often has this). Not really a > problem. > >> 4) the mic input sounds good enough for live work > with good > >> full range response. Not for studio though, > there's > >> a distinctive quality/color to the transient > response, and > >> no 48V. > >> 5) Mic pre-amp doesn't have an insert, and there's > no way > >> to make fx send pre fade. In simple terms > >> this means you can't EQ the mic, > or compress it. > >> (and can't use my Vortex patches!) > >> 6) the additional connectors available give > some > >> scope for extra routing, as long as you > >> don't mind using Y-cables. > >> 7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an > independent > >> vol control, (such as would be useful for > >> sending to Zoom H2 for > recording) > >> 8) there's no mixer schematic in the manual, it's > printed > >> on the top of the unit. Obviously > >> when you rack the unit you no > longer have the > >> schematic which is the only way to see > >> the mixer features at a glance. > >> 9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple > of jack > >> to XLR converters and > >> you're able to say " I have my > own DI box" to any > >> sound engineer you encounter when playing live. > >> This reduces their anxiety about > how to deal with > >> your complex setup to zero. > >> 10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which > would > >> make the unit much more usable. > >> > >> Conclusion > >> Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear, > and add > >> a microphone > >> with just a 1u unit. > >> > >> If you don't need to use the mic-pre there's no > real minus > >> points to the mixer, > >> apart from lack of pre-fade sends. > >> Sound quality is easily good enough for live > work. > >> > >> Big disappointment is the implementation of the > mic input. > >> There's no way to > >> eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, > and have a > >> dynamic mic that > >> will give that you can't really this mixer. Using > with an > >> SM58, for instance, will > >> just give you that unclear boxy sound which is > normally > >> filtered out at the desk. > >> So, probably ok for announcements that no-one > understands. > >> I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very > well for > >> feeding assorted > >> acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), > but those > >> aren't exactly > >> cheap. > >> Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their > setup ( or > >> to remove a mic-pre > >> to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated. > >> > >> Further investigation. > >> It must be possible to mod this unit so that > there's a way > >> to eq( or Vortex) the mic. > >> but no service sheet available. > >> > >> I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was > sent a > >> pair of automated responses > >> promising a reply within 2 days....about a week > ago. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> andy butler > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sie sind Spam leid? 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