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Hi Nadia, id say try Mobius first by itself,ive been doing my late looping with it thoguh never tried it as a plugin within a prgram, to me it seems a great choice if u want to do the "open canvas looping" for pre-arranged looping Ableton might be just what you need cheers and welcome to the machine! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de> schrieb am Fr, 30.10.2009: > Von: Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de> > Betreff: Re: introduction > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Datum: Freitag, 30. Oktober 2009, 15:07 > Wow, thank you Mr. Boysen so much for > the extensive email. It is incredibly informative. I have > done 3-4 performances already and have only used Ableton > without an extra loop plug in. I just routed the many tracks > into one where I placed some effects, and then toggled the > different tracks on or off...w/ the mapped out keyboard, or > with the mouse... it was a bit cumbersome. I would set the > length for my MIDI loops which I would record live, but for > the Audio tracks, I couldn't figure how to do that. So I > just let my own intuition decided when the loop was over. It > seemed to work very well. It had a bit of a ethereal and > random effect. > The more I get aware of the different techniques the > better. I am using Ableton 6 so I might be forced try the > Mobius plugin. I really want to start switching from > different loops, to provide for some variation. > @Florian and @Warren > The link I sent was just audio. I also have a video of one > performance I did. Unfortunately the camera is shaking > because my daughter decided to get creative while > filming...There is also another video... > > Here is the link: http://www.ubetoo.com/nirmala07/18737 > > I hope it works. > > Thanks for listening > best wishes > nadia > > Per Boysen schrieb: > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de > <mailto:nadia.salom@gmx.de>> > wrote: > > > > I have recently discovered the > potential of live looping as a > > means of realtime composition. > And am interested learning about > > all this technique especially > regarding the use of Ableton, (which > > still gives me a bit of a > headache.)Since I always worked very > > intuitively live looping seems > to be the best way to still keep > > accessing the full potential > of the moment and still orchestrate > > many instruments. > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > And welcome to this list! :-) > > Since you have Ableton Live you can start with the > Live plugin Looper (new with Live 8.0). Here comes the first > choice in live looping technique: Do you want to set the > tempo for Live by starting with creating a loop with your > mic/instrument input? Or do you want to first start Live and > listen for the tempo to play in before starting to layer > audio in the Looper plugin? These are two very different > approaches. Personally I only use the first one - where you > create the first loop and set the tempo for all electronics > based on your playing - and I can't really say much about > the other method except that it works more like usual multi > track recording. You have to make a setting in Live's Looper > plugin in order to extract the tempo and set it for the > application. Play around with one loop and learn to kick the > Looper plugin into Overdub Mode and layer audio while you > control its Feedback (how much of old layers that will be > fed back into the loop) by a pedal or fader. Learn tricks > like overdubbing one rhythm with voice/instrument while > pumping a counter rhythm with the feedback pedal foot to > change the background layers. This very simply setup can be > taken quite far in musical terms. > > > > Second step in looping technique could be to use two > parallel loops. This can be done by opening a second Looper > plugin on a second track. If you did set the first one to > pick up the tempo for Live you should set this second looper > to slave to this, Live's, tempo. > > > > As the third step I'd like to see the technique of > layering a long recording over the span of a couple of loop > repeats. This action is called "Multiply" and is not > supported by the plugin Looper in Live. My favorite looper > plugin that supports Multiply is Mobius. Create your first > loop, make a couple of overdubs and then chose Multiply and > play/sing a line that evolves while your old loop is being > repeated in the background. The Multiply action keeps > layering your input input and making the loop longer until > you chose Multiply a second time. > > > > A fourth technique may be to switch loop. Live's > Looper doesn't support that, but with Mobius you give a > command named "Next Loop" what happens then is that the > recent loop stops playing and a new one is starting to be > created by your audio input. But maybe you want to do this > jumping between alternative loops on a parallel loop, so you > can always hear what you recorded in the first loop? A > typical performance scenario could then be: > > > > 1. Create a rhythm pattern as the first loop. > > 2. Layer a variation or fill into this first loop. > > 3. Select a new track and create a new loop in > parallel with more tonal material. This could be "intro" or > "verse". > > 4. While still working on track 2 go Next Loop and > create "verse 2" (rhythm on track 1/Loop 1 will be heard > constantly) > > > > I think this is a much anyone can say about "looping > technique". The rest is up to you and depends on what music > you want to create. You have to think about what parts of > the music that will be repeated in shorter loops and crate > those parts early before multiplying. You may also want to > make loops of different lengths to create rhythmic variation > as they glide in and out of beat matching, overdubbing one > layer in reverse mode or substituting short slices of the > loop with new input. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se <http://www.boysen.se> > > www.perboysen.com <http://www.perboysen.com> > > > > > > > > > -- Nadia Salom > http://www.nirmala07.net > >