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On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote: > But I think you guys are talking more about the ambient improvised >genre's > more then looping itself. Right? Seems so. Ambient music originally meant music that can be played in the background without needing people to pay attention and listen actively. Music as part of an environment. I believe that definition has been around since the twenties (Eric Satie)? If you accept that definition just a it stands, it means any noise that doesn't change character too rapidly could qualify as "ambient" music. You could as well tune a guitar as "ambient music performance". Or a harp for a longer gig ;-) No matter how cool that might be from a philosophical angle, but does everyone like the sound of it? IMHO the missing link in this logic is a factor called "musical qualities". The option, in both cultural and technical regards, to create soothing sound changes over time without any particular musical qualities is pretty new. In fact some modern "ambient" music is just a synthesized laboratory version of the classic sound of a sea, the sound of wind blowing in a forest or the sound of a manufacturing multi process machine hall. Nothing bad in that. However, what most people regard "musical qualities" is when the musician makes the effort to step outside his/her own exploratory (or therapy) process and starts to present the music as an act of communication. Since there is no common words or genres to describe these two aspects of music many people simply just miss the point and think they "don't understand the music" or that it is "bad music". Bottom line here is that any talking in public about "looping" needs an additional description that addresses the above. If a "looping festival" is arranged in public the fact that many performers use looping devices is just one side of the coin. Another very important point is that it indeed is a musical genre crossing event! So that should be emphasized in the promotional work. If the intention is not to offer a genre crossing event, then a proper musical genre description is needed to attract an audience that has a fair chance to enjoy the program. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com