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Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4,4/4, 6/8, 12/8
> üddly enough, I am sure Monty Python would do a good job conveying
> what the sub
> pulse is.
Agreed, although the explanation would probably involve soft pillows &
Carol Cleveland in scanty attire which I don't think would do much to
clear up the issue....
I did take thta trip to the bottom of the ocean and I did
> get a sense
> of the sub pulse.
Good for you!
By the way, I also struggled with Einstein and then after
> years I got it. The focus should be placed on experiencing, perceiving,
> than understanding.
I think you've got that the wrong way round: the focus should be on
understanding by experiencing, perceiving. Einstein clearly stated he
wanted to understand how the universe worked.
People who discover stuff in physics have a flash, they do
> not build theories like lego; that part comes after. Math was
> created to convey
> these illuminations to others who hopefully speak mathematics.
I agree that does ocassionaly happen, but there have been lots of
examples of a theory that was built up over a long period of time & then
the evidence for or against came round. Just take relativity for example:
the idea that light bends ( yes, it came in a "flash" pun intended ) but
the professor had to do a lot of work to get it right including having the
amout of bending off by half at first.
> accent should
> be put on getting it, having the same or a similar experience,
> original illumination.
Absolutely agree. As in science, we should all be able to do the same
experiment or have the same experience & get the same results.
So let's imagination some conditions which would be
> favorable to experience of sub pulse, let's be illuminated.
I would say a clear definiteion would be a good place to start.
> will go see
> what the girls are doing down there with my double.
I doubt my hormoans would survive that experience!
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mark Showalter <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 12:58:22 AM
> Subject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms:
> 4/4, 6/8, 12/8
> > hey let's hear it.I am curious to learn. So is Mark he just has that
> > humor about him.
> Very good observation Anthony & yes I am a big fan of British humor,
> Monty Python.
> > Antony Hequet
> > ***************************************************
> > I really don't want to get you wrong (and please correct me if I'm
> > but what I am
> > understanding about your stance here is that you seem to be
> > dismissively telling
> > us
> > that you don't understand a musical level of sophistication that
> > is understood
> > by
> > tens of thousands of groove musicians around the planet (whether they
> > term
> > 'sub pulse' or not) and that you profess to have no desire to
> > educate yourself,
> > or
> > grow further as a musician, merely because it is a concept that
> > was not included
> > in
> > your entirely Euro-centric (albeit rigorous and valuable) education
> > musical styles.
> Hm....in fact, I think what I was going for was that I am clearly
> many things, one being what a "sub-pulse" is & another example I
> gave of clearly
> not having augmented sixths in my head, which I don't. As for
> "Euro-centric" I'm
> not exactly sure where you came up with that one from as I am a big fan
> oriental/Indian music & rhythms & both Ravi Shankar & his daughter are
> musicians even though I have no problem admitting that I have a hard time
> getting their sound in my head as well because I simply don't understand
> even though I love the music. As for being "dismissive", that was not my
> intention. I was rather trying to avoid another flurry of emails about
> "sub-pulse" is because I have noticed a tenancy in these discussions to
> far off topic that I find it almost impossible to get any kind of idea
> the discussion is really about. If you'd like to start an email about
> "sub-pulse" is that would be great & I would welcome the chance to learn
> something new. My statement about several drummers/percussionists
> attempting to
> explain the idea to me & my example of the poor fellow who took the trip
> Albert Einstein was meant to illustrate my own current problem with
> understanding what my drummer/percussionists friends were trying to
> > I certainly have respect for the 8 years you spent studying
> > Harmony and Melody
> > in a rigorous academic environment.
> Thank you although it wasn't that rigorous actually. And my
> emphasis was Theory
> & Composition, not Harmony & Melody.
> > I just find it curious that you don't seem to have the same respect
> > (or any other drummer/percussionist/arrangers) knowledge
> > which has been accrued from 40 years of playing in popular styled
>bands as a
> > band leader,
> > arranger, composer, producer and instrumentalist(33 of them as a
> > professional).
> I don't recall making any statement that I don't have any respect
> for you or any
> other person's knowledge, as once again, I was pointing out my own lack
> understanding. If you feel that this indicates me showing a lack of
> must admit that the connection escapes me entirely. BTW,Ringo is one of
> favorite drummers, as well as Bill Bueford & Steve Gadd if this helps at
> Also, Nick Mason who as well as Ringo both of whom "float" better
> than any other
> drummers I've ever heard.
> > I'm positive I could learn a thing or two from you about the
> > things you have so
> > deeply studied and am eager to do so if the chance presents itself.
> Happy to be of service at any time.
> > I wonder why you don't appear open to knowledge that I (or some other
> > drummer) could teach you about the world of rhythm, conversely.
> Again, this is not the case. I have been a teacher since I was around 17
> old & the core of being a teacher is learning. As Socrates once
> said when asked
> what all his wisdom had gained for him, he replied: " That there is
> so much that
> I do not know" .
> > The concept of a sub pulse is a very simple one and can be
> > easily with a few
> > choice examples. This concept absolutely defines
> ( I am not a big fan of "absolutes" as I have often found when
> someone uses the
> word that they tend to quickly find the word was ill chosen )
> the way human
> > beings respond
> > to
> > syncopation on a neurophysiological level and is easily
> > demonstrable with sonic
> > examples.
> If you are saying that syncopation is a "sub-pulse", then it is not
> necessary to
> explain any further. However, I suspect it is not so simple an answer,
> > I'd be happy to share it with you unless you feel your mind is closed.
> Now who's being dismissive?
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